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Jeff Depatie - The Special Forces Experience - All week we've been examining the work and ruggedness of operators from the SpecOps world. In particular, Rob Owens and Jeff Depatie look at hitting the wall, or finding game-ending adversity, and how one gets used to that experience...then pushes beyond it.
Jeff uses the same ideas and tools to pass along that barrier-breaking mentality in his Special Forces Experience program he offers to high-performing professionals. Pete A Turner and Jeff compare notes and get into what it takes to operate at the highest level. #operatorsweek #specialforces #sniper #combat #canada #specops #tough #mentaltoughness #hittingthewall #thenext20pct Haiku What about “Man Camp” Induce behavioral change Start finding purpose Similar episodes: Robert Owens Tito Ortiz Greg Proops |
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Jon Leon Guerrero 0:01
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. Our guest today on day four of special operators week is Jeff Depatie. He's a Canadian Special Forces tier one operator specifically a JTF. To sniper a soldier. Now when you think of Canada, well they're like are always smiling next door neighbor pleasant, congenial, mild tempered, but make no mistake, they're special forces operators are badass is of the highest caliber, consider that Canada has been with us in every joint task force peacekeeping mission, and they've stood shoulders up with us in the war on terror since 2001.
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. Our guest today on day four of special operators week is Jeff Depatie. He's a Canadian Special Forces tier one operator specifically a JTF. To sniper a soldier. Now when you think of Canada, well they're like are always smiling next door neighbor pleasant, congenial, mild tempered, but make no mistake, they're special forces operators are badass is of the highest caliber, consider that Canada has been with us in every joint task force peacekeeping mission, and they've stood shoulders up with us in the war on terror since 2001.
Jon Leon Guerrero 0:01
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. Our guest today on day four of special operators week is Jeff Depatie. He's a Canadian Special Forces tier one operator specifically a JTF. To sniper a soldier. Now when you think of Canada, well they're like are always smiling next door neighbor pleasant, congenial, mild tempered, but make no mistake, they're special forces operators are badass is of the highest caliber, consider that Canada has been with us in every joint task force peacekeeping mission, and they've stood shoulders up with us in the war on terror since 2001. That is from the very beginning. So they're in it for the haul, and their greatest forged in the cold, but they can do it in the desert in the mountains and everywhere in between. Jeff is himself and expert in tactical shooting with a pistol, the car being the shotgun and the sniper rifle, multiple disciplines of martial arts, piloting a variety of aircraft, skydiving and para motoring. And that's exactly what it sounds like. open water, scuba diving, and high speed pursuit and evasion in or on anything with wheels, two wheels, three wheels, four wheels, more wheels, anything. He's also a Cisco certified network professional, so he can jump in on the target, destroy the building, hack the servers and get the hell out of there before anybody knows what hit him. Jeff is now the co founder and the chief course architect of the process, and you can find them at the Special Forces experience.com. The process takes usually high performing conscientious individuals in the first place and elevates their awareness and capabilities by putting them through the kind of limit testing experiences born to the circumstances that special operators find themselves in during training and on missions. They call it post traumatic growth PTG and it is as far as we can tell, the most advanced form of working out that's tearing the muscle to build it up. In this case, the muscle is one's resilience, decisiveness, resourcefulness and ability to lead by collaborating in ways they never knew. This is why we love special operators and why we're celebrating special operators week and YP is diving in the water this Saturday for the Coronado swim to support the seal veterans foundation. If you want to support Pete and the seal veterans Foundation, go to seal veterans foundation. org. And if you're in the San Diego area, go see Pete in that Sangha live Sangha at Coronado Island this Saturday. It'll be a terrific event. There'll be a lot of inspiring folks there, you're going to love it. Of course, we also support save the brave and you can read about them at save the brave.org Scott using is on the board of save the brave and we're behind the work that they do 100% I will be joining Pete and Scott next week to record some shows. But I'm sorry to say I will not be at the Coronado swim on Saturday. I'm going to have to miss Pete in that saga. I'm wrapping up an eight week body composition challenge at Diablo barbell and going in the dunk tank on Sunday, I will reveal the results of that challenge on Monday's episode. So stay tuned. And that may or may not be good anyway. As always, if you want to share your goals or your fitness progress, or how you're inspired by our presentation of these special forces, guys, leave us a comment on YouTube or on our website or wherever you listen to us. While you're at it. Give the break it down show a five star rating and write us a little review. We would appreciate all of that stuff. Now combining two of our favorite topics, the wisdom of people who have called upon themselves to do something remarkable, and finding a new level of performance in a second chapter of your career. Here's our guest for day four of special operators week, Jeff Depatie
Unknown Speaker 4:03
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Jon Leon Guerrero 4:17
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Pete Turner 4:20
this is Pete a Turner.
jeff depatie 4:24
This is Jeff Depatie from the Special Forces experience. And you're listening to the breakdown show.
Niko Leon Guerrero 4:31
And now the breakdown show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 4:37
If I'm not mistaken, you are the first non American operator that I've had on the show have to think about that, but I believe are the first one. So welcome to the breakdown show just as Jeff, he's a badass, but he's a badass from Canada, which makes him still a badass. And I love to talk to operators because you bring a unique and tactical sensibility to the world. guys like us who've been in the field a lot. We've been shot out for a living for a long time. There's a practicality, there's a tactical, real reality. And we're the kind of guys that can sit in a boardroom or, you know, in a high level conference, or a staff meeting, you know, with the brigade, a division, you know, something bigger, and just raise your hand and ask the most simple question because we're the guys who have to go do that shit on the ground. So like when they're like, hey, Jeff, you and your team are going to go out and hand out radios like well, who says these guys don't have radios? You know, or I'll give you an example. I was asked, Hey, Pete, kind of a hidden like, dangerous question for me in that value working? What's the most prevalent TV channel, you know, kind of a test of my knowledge? And I was able to come back with there's no electricity in that valley. None.
jeff depatie 5:49
ground truth,
Pete Turner 5:50
these ground truth moments Yes, exactly, are critical for what we do. Talk to me a little bit about your path to get into. What about what basically you told me off Mike was, it's essentially the Delta Force for for Canada, which is high praise. And that doesn't take off anything from recon or Rangers or a seals or SF, but there, you know, different teams, different jobs. Talk to me a little bit about what you've experienced and how it was getting there.
Unknown Speaker 6:19
All right, people I, before I get going really, I want to thank you for the opportunity to be on your show. Okay. Oh, my pleasure. Next is Yeah, being from Canada probably makes us more badass. Yeah, I come from unit called joint task force to or JTF. To that's Canada's national mission unit, whether its domestic or abroad. Yeah. And when I say like Delta Force, that's for the American audience to kind of backtrack and say, okay, where does he kind of fit in, in the military scheme of things. And as you know, once you start getting into that realm, you kind of move out of the military, and you don't want to see transcend Oh, but you know, like you're working with in your country, CIA, NSA, although, you know, I mean, so it kind of moves out of just the military. But yeah, I'd say for broad brush purpose, that's kind of the unit I come from.
Pete Turner 7:01
Yeah, let me give the audience some clarity to because maybe they still don't quite know, if you think about the CIA, they find something out, they need someone to act on the Intel that they get, in the case of the US, oftentimes, that is the Delta Force, because that's their primary job, they're considered to be, at least again, from the US point of view, they're considered to be assets that are always in a time of war. So they're funded differently, they're provisioned at a level that's completely different than then basically any other unit, because they are doing some of the most tip of the spear work that there is. So it to Canada certainly has a version of that, you know, you need to have some act, you need to have something that you know, an action based on the Intel that you collect. And whether that's going and getting someone and rescuing them from a terrorist abduction situation, or, or something else, you have to have guys that can do these kinds of things. Here's what I know about Delta Force guys in general, and seals and Green Berets. And, you know, kind of secondary. You guys don't ever stop training, you don't ever stop honing the skills that you have. And you're always gathering new skills, I mean, the dude that you were at 18, there's nowhere near as qualified to do anything compared to the dude that you are now. Hey, this is Pete real quick, I just want to let you guys know, we are proud to announce our official support of save the brave, a certified nonprofit 501 c three, with a charter of helping veterans with post traumatic stress, here's how you can help go to save the brave, calm, click on the link on the website. And my recommendation is this subscribe, give him 20 bucks a month, you've got subscriptions that you can turn off right now that you're not using that are $20 a month, swap that out, get involved. Let's help these folks out. You guys don't ever stop training. You don't ever stop honing the skills that you have. And you're always gathering new skills. I mean, the dude that you were at 18, there's nowhere near as qualified to do anything, compared to the dude that you are now.
Unknown Speaker 8:58
Yeah, we it's the endless pursuit of excellence, you know, in order to be that Silver Arrow in the government's quiver that they can launch at any time for any reason? Yeah, you got to be sharpening it constantly. And it's done in all kinds of ways, you know, small, trivial training, all the way up to the best assets, like in the States, I'll just speak to that, like, you guys have every kind of asset there is that we can tap into and all kinds of training all over the world, every experience, your operator needs to be able to go into any situation and handle any situation. So you know, good luck training for that.
Pete Turner 9:36
Yeah, I mean, good luck. Indeed. Right. So as you guys can find Jeff on Instagram, at Special Forces experience at Special Forces experience, you can also go to his website, Special Forces experience. com, what he and his his bros do is they they take high performing men who want to have like an immersive situation, you know, it's not remember a camp, but it's the chance to stress yourself out in a positive, healthy environment with this kind of a context. So that's their main business. So definitely go, I think you'll like what you find that
Unknown Speaker 10:12
special forces experience. com, we would define it as an immersive growth experience for high achieving men. So don't just think it's just an experience like the military, the idea that it's divided up into four phases. It's spread out almost a year. And it's designed to deep dive into your personality and your behavior, along with having a really great experience that's totally tailored towards men, from roughly 25 up to about 55, usually a little bit older, their bodies can't handle it. I won't tell anyone that their body can't handle it. But the truth is, is it's pretty vigorous and then younger. They're usually not open mind. I don't want to say they're not open mind, but their minds aren't really prepared to grasp the magnitude of what's about to come.
Pete Turner 10:53
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. We prior right around the time that your episode posts will have a guy named Rob Bowens, who is probably the fittest 67 year old man you're ever going to encounter. He was a Air Force PJ and for those that don't know PJ is always get respect from everybody because they're a defensive Special Forces type asset they come and get your ass when your have your back broken and you're hanging from a tree by a parachute. They're the guys that come and rescue you and and, like Delta Force like these other forces that have to be impossible missions. These guys have every mission, every spot on the planet, whether you're in an ocean or at the top of a mountain. When you hear a PJ is coming, you're super excited. So this is what he did. Jeff, he said, Mark Devine, who runs a buds prep program. He's a seal commander himself. 95% graduation from buds if you go through marks program, and you graduate from his program first. As a 66 year old man, Rob went through and passed. And he's like, Yeah, I thought I was going to die. I was never going to quit, they were going to have to put me in a body bag. And I'm like, dude, you have kids. You're a grandpa family. Does that make any sense? It He's like, no, it doesn't make any sense. But it is how he's wired. You know? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 12:07
It's interesting. You mentioned the wiring Pete. When we were building the program, we started questioning men from all over to discover their wiring, if you will, you know, what's missing in your life? What do you like in your life and then start digging into the research the science of it, it just turns out that a lot of men, most men, usually because we're testosterone, primary love adventure discovery. True. truly seeking out hierarchy, you know, how we fit in? Not not like rank, but hierarchy? Like how do I way up against the next man? And it's amazing what that drive can lead people to do. It's amazing, such as six year old again, through the buds selections, or coke or whatever one he did with Mark.
Pete Turner 12:50
Yeah, yeah. And, and his level of fitness is extraordinary. But But the reality is, is that it was his mental fortitude, not his physical fortitude that got him through because that's, that's what buds does is they look for your thing. They they uncover like, okay, and really honestly, like all of you guys that do these kind of things. Remy Atalay comes to mind, he's a seal. He's a crappy swimmer, at least in terms of, you know, in the seal community he got through and he figured it out. But that was his biggest battle wasn't mental. He was glad to die on the beach. But it didn't make him a faster swimmer. So he had to figure out how to persevere through that. What would you say is your thing with that? I mean, that's obviously not going to be running or whatever. But when do you have to dig into that unknown part of your brain where Rob Rob Owens talks about the voices that normally silence you have to scream at you? Because you're you're defying them?
Unknown Speaker 13:46
Okay, well, it's interesting, you mentioned swimming, swimming, because you can train for but physiologically you can be terrible at it. And physiologically, my body, I have heavy bones, I have low body fat. So which is leads to me not being a great swimmer, that but that's not I wouldn't say that's my thing. At this time of my life. It's different, right? I'm not an operator anymore. I've moved past that. Sometimes now. It's, it's the weirder ones, you know, those, I don't want to see fear of success. But you know, fear of missing out on life, you know, missed opportunities, those kind of things start to sink in where I'm like, those are the voices I have to overcome physically. I've overcome quite a bit now. And recently, I was just up in Helena. And we went, and, of course, there's mountains in that area. And I just looked at them and I'm like, Oh, I gotta go climb that mountain. You know what I mean? But yeah, times for me, it's about not climbing it as well. It's about I'm at a point where I'm like, I don't need that quite as much. So seeking out those physical adversities, although I still do them. They're few and far between. But for me, now, it's more in the business world more mental. That's where it shows up more, like I was saying, lack of fear, failure, missed opportunities, that kind of stuff, those can be like, okay, that's the voice I gotta overcome.
Pete Turner 15:00
I was talking with Jeff Bosley, who's a green Bray. And he's not a Green Beret anymore. But he's a former action guy himself. And we were talking about how guys like us. And look, I am not a special operator. But if you saw me work in the field, if I can be your team, you would you would embrace me because of my work ethic, my professionalism at what I do. So in that case, I'm going to refer to us as field peers, although I don't have your, your documents in your in your dossier. I can blend in. So guys like us, we don't know, automatically had to turn it off when we come home. So when we're told, hey, you're going to redeploy, you're going to get some relaxation time, everybody take a break, then we'll take a break. When we get left our own devices were like that mountain needs climbing this building these built, I need to chop down these 15 trees, right?
Unknown Speaker 15:49
Yeah, it's, I would say first, being an operator doesn't add inches to your deck. You know what I mean? Pete I man is not measured by that, right. But in general, the nature of selections, and the way funnels human beings and the ones that does pick Yeah, they're, they're the ones who are always on. And it can be tough to flick that switch off, in fact, took me a while to be able to kind of like, come back down from that, you know, nine months away. You know, it as you show up to work every day you have to be on you are performing the man next to you needs to count on you for everything, whatever you're sent on. At that time, you got to be able to deliver, so have to be always on, it's
Pete Turner 16:26
true. The the term that we use on our end is we call it you know, like if you come to a new place, you go through a murder board. And you have to show that you have the credentials to to work with this team, they have to know they're going to rely on you. So you're always performing that role of I'm reliable, you can count on me, I'm going to come through I'm not going to quit. And in the big army world, if you work for the 82nd airborne, they just outwork problems, whatever the enemy's doing for 20 hours a day, the 82nd will do it for 22. It just so if you leave at 12 hours, seven days a week, 12 hours, they call you half day, Hey, what's up half day? You're like Jesus Christ, I worked out.
Unknown Speaker 17:08
Yeah, yeah. It's always a challenge with the high paced units. It's been a while since I've been in the reg forces. So I can't speak to what it's like now. But is recognizing we do need to be able to switch this off. We do need these guys to be able to go home and be with their families. Like the the unsung heroes, if you will, is one fighting the fight back home, you know, so a man or woman who goes back is still in the hopper ready to go for action is not ideal for the family situation. So there's a lot of time and money put into that, rightfully so because you got to be able to turn it off for that support unit back home to keep it healthy.
Pete Turner 17:43
I often struck and how much I didn't realize this, but when people thank me for my service on my gosh, thank my daughter. Because, you know, thankfully, she didn't pay the ultimate price. And you know, I'm still around. But she didn't get to get raised by me. I was gone all the time. And and if anybody pay the price, it was her not having me around. And we definitely guys like us we struggle with an elegant solution we often go to the alpha solution was just just out begging out strong outworking things. When did you start to develop elegant solutions to life's problems? Or have you yet?
jeff depatie 18:19
Well, I'd like to believe I got some things figured out Pete, I think it depends, because I just want to kind of touch back on, you're saying thank your daughter. You know, for guys like us, we accept that we could go and we could put our lives on the line. Right. And that's it. In theory, you know, whether you have other beliefs back on this room, that's it for us and the weight of what they have to deal with back home, I didn't have elegant solutions for that at the time. I was deploying and stuff like that I was, I wasn't bringing home elegant solutions. It wasn't until I left the military that I started to discover elegant solutions for my relationships. But I would say like a super easy one is just a simple check in with your partner. You know, mind, body, soul, spirit, heart, whatever you want to put in there, and you convey to your partner almost daily with gratitude. Here's what I'm feeling. Here's where my head's at, you know, because in the pace that the military is in, and the SF especially avoid can start to fill up. And if you know you guys aren't communicating where your heads are at, that boy just fills up and fills up and fills up in the gap can grow and grow. And that's just a simple way to can practice gratitude between you and your partner and let them know where you're at. And they let you know where you're at.
Pete Turner 19:33
You're making a unique bridge between the operator mentality and mindset. I guess that's the same thing, but the operator mentality, and physicality and the boardroom? What have you noticed that your business based clients bring that maybe you don't have because we have a different world business base clients that I've noticed, okay.
Unknown Speaker 19:57
Well, to be if I was to be open at all, is about everything. I went to school, I took Chemical Engineering, Computer Systems Engineering, so I didn't develop any business sense there. And I went to the military, and I wasn't focused on business, you know, I was doing the business, the business of selling the brand, their business of, you know, always showing up, whether it's an ambassador, leader of a country, you know, you got to show up, speak properly, all that kind of stuff. When I came out and into the business world. I think I started to see, you know, the power of networking, social level networking, and how much strength that has kinda like, what a podcast does, right? An organic spreading of the word, you know, that kind of stuff really started to dawn on me, as far as just pure business came to it. Also, the some more simple stuff, you know, structuring, structuring my company, things of that nature, I was, I had very good intuition about it. And I consider myself quite intelligent, as far as having any practical side of it learned from some great, great minds out there on that,
Pete Turner 21:02
yeah, it's a lot of resources. Can you give us any examples of some of these lessons that you picked up that you're like, wow, that's not a tool that I have in my bag, or it's not in the shape that I'd want it to be?
Unknown Speaker 21:12
Okay, really, really understanding the person across from you, what they're really saying, and really understanding what they bring, what their personality brings what my personally brings, and how that best works together? Yes, in the world of the operator, we do that too. But because our, we're we're mission focused, it was really good at being mission focused, which is different than a business focus, just behind your motives and that kind of stuff. So I would say, practicing empathy, you know, having a man having deep open conversations with other men, it can be tough, you know, so when I was piecing this together, having those conversations, like just seeing the little core nugget of what makes us human and other men, especially
Pete Turner 21:52
the program, you've built these special forces experience, how did that idea come about? I mean, everybody wants to do something a lot this but you're actually no shit doing it. So how did you come to it? How did you have a sense for that? That it was a viable idea.
Unknown Speaker 22:08
So here I am a tier one sniper with the best sniping unit in the world. And I won't even get into like the I say sniper. But the complexities of actually what comes with that, you know, we're world record holding unit. We're kind of kicking ass and taking names. Then I meet this woman, as one often does in San Diego. We were actually we were doing called skydiving, some Hayhoe training down in the area, here, wind it out. And we went out and had a few pops. And I met this woman. And it changed my life. It was a catalyst that I it was a point in my life that can never be under undersold, you know, it was so important. But when I met her, she said, I don't want to be with someone who's in the military. Haha, now, it's nothing. Her father's Vietnam vet her. Her grandfather was actually one of the original SEAL team members so that they have a pedigree of military so it's not that she didn't like it. She just didn't like she couldn't handle the time apart. Right. And, and not handle, she was smart enough to know that she didn't want to. So anyways, this started the conversation of like, Okay, what am I going to do now? Well, I just spent 15 years in the military, most of it in the SF, I have a super specific skill set. What does that look like in the real world? Well, first thing you gotta identify as a problem, right? Pete know, she kinda was like, okay, men are kind of in this stage right now, this, this development history, this in this modern world, whether a little bit listless, where they're potentially missing something or looking for something that might not be there, I'll refer to like, all our ancient wiring. Now in the modern world that we don't get to use all the time in the military, we get to use it a little bit more in some jobs, you get to use it a little bit more. But most of what man does these days, he doesn't fully use his deep, innate tools. So she said to me, she said, Well, what about some kind of man camp? And I literally laughed out loud, because I just had this vision of, you know, scores and x rowing. And it was like, no, that's not for me. I can't go from 100, back down to 20. You know what I mean? So that was kind of the genesis of it. And then we started, like I said, asking the questions, okay, what do men like? What do they want? Aster wise? What does it look like your husband's missing, what's not being involved. And then we went to the research of why we started piecing this program together. And it was kind of cool, because it was like, okay, it's going to look like this. And then it's going to look like this, we just kept layering things on spreading out the time. Like I said, we ended up at this point of four phases, spread out over no less than seven months, with a big culminating eight day event that, you know, is extremely difficult, mostly psychological. And the whole point of it is to induce behavioral change on your own terms. You know, it's like, we're in this self help revolution right now, where people are pumping shit out and you're reading it, you're like, wait, why am I even reading this, it doesn't even pertain to my personality, or, more importantly, my environment, you know, so we will assess the personality will put them in different environments, and then we look at their behavior. And that's one of our things. p plus equals b, it's a derivative from a psychologist, his name is Lou. And we've taken it, we've kind of pumped it up on steroids with all our modern technology and research. Yeah, but we just kept adding things in, you know, we look at ancient things like Buddhism, or Christianity, or some of the Far East teachings like the E Ching and stuff. And we started looking and seeing these parallels, they started similar language, you know, I mean, collective would he call it collective wisdom, right? We're thousands of years of observation. People have seen things, seeing things. We didn't need scientists to know certain thing, but they've had their own versions of it. And then we kind of start stuffing that in and, you know, started exploding out the ends. And then I started meeting the Qadri. And they started bringing in their point of view, which consists of American and Canadian men, and some women, because we need the female perspective on this certain Yeah, we just kept jamming, that kind of stuff in, I was kind of in a lucky position, I've made some investments that could keep me floating for a while in the real estate world and just kept building and building. And then last year, we launched 01. And when people come back to us, and they're like, You changed my life. And when I seen change life, and people that most of the guys make between 150, up to about half a million dollars, they're all intelligent, they all support their communities do community work. There's a few on the outside of this, because we did take some young men who they're just not, you know, they're there, they're on their path. They're just not there yet. And every single one of them has come back. And the reward for us is that we rejected them a little bit, not all them drastically, you know, I mean, that's not what we're here to do. Because we're here to take guys who could just use a little bit of a shift, you know, in their values, their outlooks, whatever it is their purpose.
Pete Turner 26:54
Hey, this is Pete a Turner from lions rock productions, we create positive casts around here. And if you your brand, or your company, want to figure out how to do a podcast, just talk to me, I'll give you the advice on the right gear, the best plan is show you how to take the podcast that makes sense for you that's sustainable, that scalable and fun. Hit me up at Pete at breakdown show. com Let me help I want to hear about it. We're going to take guys
Unknown Speaker 27:18
who could just use a little bit of a shift, you know, and their values, their outlooks, whatever it is their purpose.
Pete Turner 27:24
Yeah. Wow, man. That's, that's fantastic. And then I guess all of us need some form of this. What if someone isn't able to take seven months or a year to go through this kind of program? How does one, you know micro dose this thing and get what out of it? They have time to do because, you know, we got kids, we got bosses, we got commutes. And it's like, hey, I'd love to take time off to go to man camp and get some s'mores and some push ups. But reality is I can't do that shit.
Unknown Speaker 27:52
Okay, I hear you loud and clear on that one. So that's kind of what the, the overall thing of this is. So I'll do a quick explanation, then I'll give like a hot tip as it were. Okay. So first, it's spread out. But phase two and phase four, are, what I would say is they're not expensive, they're not a super heavy lift, because you have kids because you have work because you go to sleep for you know, 30 your day. So it's not like, the only thing that would probably kind of fit in there that would force you more time is the physical on the first bit. But we do start diving into your personality, we do start tearing into your past and all that kind of stuff, and etc, etc, etc. And we'll get into all the things that it is. But it's designed to be that light Lyft. And same with phase four. I won't get into that, Pete, but it's the same thing where Yeah, I can't take the time off, you know, I mean, now the eight days is the eight days is the eight days. If you can't make that kind of time, you can't make that time for this program, right. But if I was to like, say, okay, kind of a gist of it, I'll go back to my equation p plus E equals b. When we're doing assessments on ourselves, usually, we're assessing something in the personality realm. Now, when I use the variable p, it means a lot of things. But it's all it's like things that you would your values, your motives, your characteristics, you know, it can be whatever you got from the Big Five, psych test, or whatever it is, you kind of stuff it in there. And you're you contemplate on that you think about it, and you think, Okay, what is actually me? And what do I want to keep? What do I want to change, because now with neuro plasticity, we can change things you can change your mind, you know, like, there's some things we can't change. But there are a lot of things with epigenetics and stuff that we're learning you can change. Next, look at your environment, your environment is actually more easy to change, then people think they just tell themselves, it's not now in that environment, you know, do you want to be working at that job all day? Do you want to be spending time away from your kids all the time just to work or, like whatever that balance is, I won't dictate it for every man, that's going to be different. But look at all the pieces of your environment that force your personality to be a certain way, and then look at the behavior it produces. And then you kind of like, combine that with your goals. Do I want to change it? Do I not want to change it? It's huge in theory, but it's a very nice manageable way to kind of start looking at your life a little bit, you know, don't let this be overwhelming patients, like I said, spread over time. That's why it's designed to be seven months minimum. In fact, like I tell everyone, it's a direction. It's not a destination. You know, that's that's how the process is, it's forever. So just just be patient with it. But the reason we do spreader over that time is because as soon as someone commits to it, and they pay their money, energetically, they are involved in this, their mind, I'm guessing cannot step away from the fact that in 5768 months, they are about to go through the hardest experience in their life, which will just continue what they've already started doing in the face to portion of it, but it kind of keeps them in that hopper. And what happens is that's where we can find behavior changes, whether big and drastic or small.
Pete Turner 30:59
So you said it can word of that whole thing. epigenetics and believe it or not, we've examined that for several hours on the podcast. Over time, our official epigenetics experts are Attila. Hi do. And again, I'm Dr. Tracy gap and Dr. gap and works with high end performers like like you're talking about and and he works on, you know, accentuating the epigenetics that create, you know, like your own personal genetic code, it's like, Hey, I tend to have this and so accentuating and then D tuning the negative side of things. And it's incredible how specific we can get with diet and certain activities to really hyper perform, you know, create hyper performance. And then also Last time, we had him on he started talking about peptides, and putting, you know, chain amino acids together, again, to create different outcomes with with us physically, whether it's increased energy level, or whatever it is, how deep Do you guys dive into the epigenetic and the peptide aspect of what you do? I would say we back up,
Unknown Speaker 32:03
okay. One of the most important things that you or I can do to influence these epigenetics is literally the story we tell ourselves, you know, the words we use, and our surroundings. That's the first step two, you know, I mean, like, I can't sit here and just like focus on let's see if you know, the word conscientiousness. Sure, it's, it's in, it's in personality profiles and stuff like that. I can't just really just sit here and say, I want to be more conscious. And you know, like, some things you have to do to nurture it, right. And that's about putting yourself in those, that proper environment. Next, when it comes to like neuro peptides and stuff like that. You need to be eating right? And thinking, right, so what we do in phase four is, that's where we build that. So we take the psychological and the physiological. And as you're rebuilding yourself, as it were, we're making sure you're eating right, and you're using the right words, to build yourself when I say the right words, I'm not telling you I wouldn't no one will ever hear me say, Pete, this is what you should write about what I'm saying is what is right for you. Okay. And that's what another reason, it's got to be spread over time, because I can't look at you, we as a Qadri for one day, and be like, Okay, we got to figure it out. In order to mean even over seven months, we don't got to figure it out. But we have a better understanding at least, and then take all that and then that's the way it works. There. It is on the other side. But I would say just like as a simple trick for those listening, the words you use, there's some I don't know what it is, this is just kind of on a tangent here. With, well, you know, the power of story, Repeat the word, the way our language centers in our brain work and program, our brain, I think just beginning to be discovered, you know, if you tell yourself you suck every day, you're probably going to suck. You know, that's a simple example. But, you know, it's not like the old 50s, you know, actually too attractive in demand. But it's kind of like that, you know what I mean?
Pete Turner 34:04
Yeah, Rob Owens, was talking about a lot of what you're talking again, high level for former, he went through PJ School decades ago, at 66. It goes through Mark divides, you know, but buds winning class. So he understands the mental aspect. And he and Mark, were talking about the things that you do at a baseline day to day, minute to minute, you know, and it was, it was the simplest things, and it was first thing is breathing, control your breathing, get it, you know, and breathe in a way that helps you empower the outcome that you want. But also that self talk, even out loud self talk, and almost just drowning out the negative voice. And Rob talks about his sort his mantra that he uses, and basically doesn't even allow failure to enter the equation. It's just these two things, and it's not everything. But just those two things will push you through a lot of barriers that you might not otherwise. You know, make it through. What are your thoughts on on those aspects? Is that something that you guys leverage as well? Well,
Unknown Speaker 35:05
yeah, so we use priming, all through the entire process of the Special Forces experience. So sometimes, yeah, I'll go to the self talk in a second. But it helps to hear words from other people too. Because first, we can't see shadows and blind spots. So it's really good, you know, put on the humble, humble pants or whatever you like to say, and be willing to hear others. So breathing and posture breathing. And, sure. So I'll say breathing, like I agree with 100%. And then posture, those are two quick accesses to our parasympathetic nervous system, which helps calm us down. And we need to stay calm, because if we're not calm, or maybe lyst, starts to swell up and get over produce productive. And same with the hippocampus. And then we start storing things in an improper way. So with breathing and posture, you know, like that chest out, too proud, and you know, not arrogant, but that's kind of a good way to calm and also release some endorphins to help you feel good, then self talk, I would take it to the next step, something called implementation intention. Self talks, good, I really do believe in it. But I think you take it to the next step, not just being positive, but set goals with that self talk. So you're at work, and you want a race. like, Okay, next time I see my boss, I'm going to ask him for a race, I'm gonna ask him for a raise, you know, I'm going to be confident when I do that, all that kind of stuff. But take it the next step. Say, when I see my boss at the water cooler, I'm going to say this, this and this, and I'm going to be this this and this, you know, like, maximize as much as you can with that self talk, because visualization is a very powerful tool. No secret. It's been out for a while. Why not use it? You know, practice go. You were in the military. Remember, rehearsals, rock drills, you know? Yeah. Yeah, go through it, go through it, they go through it. One thing I will say, though, is failure. I don't know how they define failure. But to me, failure is only if you don't learn from your mistakes. Yeah. So don't be scared to put yourself in positions to fail, because that's where you're going to learn, you know what I mean? And I wasn't listening to them. And I know, you just kind of briefly said it. I just, yeah, that's how I feel about it.
Pete Turner 37:20
Yeah, I think they would say the same things. I think we're talking about the same constructs. I mean, because Absolutely, I think the next thing at a Rob's mouth was, you know, small goals, because what he's talking about is, in that moment, when your body is telling you to quit, and your brain is starting to get your mind and your brain are starting to agree with your body. How do you what steps do you take to force yourself to get into that scary that last 20% of your capability? You know,
jeff depatie 37:50
you know, we had one of our candidates, he didn't make it through. But he realized very quickly,
Pete Turner 37:57
he had hit, he hit a wall. So
Unknown Speaker 37:59
that's what you do, right? You hit that wall, and you're like, oh, boy, I I'm overwhelmed. I'm physically tired. I'm psychologically drained. I'm at a wall, oh, you look at that next pebble, move to that pebble. And you see that sticking to that next step, like just bringing it down to like those micro moment by micro moment, things to talk yourself through. And the more those micro moments you face in life, the bigger that gap gets, right, your mind is ready for the big cognitive load, it's ready to handle the big cortisol dumps and stuff like that. And that's why you go into things so that the next time it happens, your body's like, I've been here, I can handle this, you know, yeah, you push that barrier, more and more. pro athletes are really good at it. High End operators are really good at a lot of military people, there's a lot of people in different realms that are really good at it. And it just helps to go outside of your own realm. And do it, you know, I mean, if you're always running OC hours, or whatever it is, go somewhere else go give a speech somewhere, something, whatever it is, that kind of gets that pang of terror in your belly. And it will help it grow.
Pete Turner 39:00
Yeah, and again, I keep bringing a product, it's just it's fresh in my mind, as we were talking on Monday, but it's the same thing over and over again, like finding that wall. And that I'm really big believer, Jeff. And finally, where the work is, right? It's one thing to have outcomes, and have no idea where the sticking points are, and know that you're going to hit them. But finding that point with that sticking point is and if that wall is your sticking point, but let's say it's breaking a five minute mile, well, you're going to get there by banging into that wall enough that fear is no longer a problem, you know, and whatever the whatever the solution ends up becoming, whether it's just powering through it or starting your run a little more calm, you know, whatever it may be, maybe it's a meditation phase, before you go out and try to crack that five minute mile. You know, you've got to find that wall so that you can start to work on how do I get around through over blasting this wall out of my way. And it's, you have to have the ability to withstand I like to call it miss comfort. It's just a comfort, you don't know. And once you get past it, next thing, you know, you're you're running a you know, a high four mile instead of a low five.
Unknown Speaker 40:07
Yeah. Obviously, eventually, you know, there's a reason there's steroids out there. There's just so much your mind and your body can do body like MIT, I'll just speak modern male is apex predator, we have been designed through millennia, to be fast and strong, and many, many great things. But we all have a wall that will never get through. My thing now is like, do I need to get through that wall? Right? I'm making beer, does that make me better? You know, does that? Is that more servitude to the community? You know what I mean? Like, sometimes I find people go down past and then they get there. And they're like, Oh, no, you know, I came all this way. Was it worth it? You know? So if it's worth it, keep breaking those balls. Of course, if that's what you want to do. I'm 100% for getting to the next level. That's what I do that too. But now I just find myself very careful about where I'm going to be vector that energy.
Pete Turner 41:01
Yeah, I agree. And I think that's the elegance that comes from us guys who are no longer in the field, and we're trying to find a new way to because what you're doing now, I would imagine is harder than any aspect of, you know, becoming, you know, the warrior that you were, I mean, it's one thing to stay up all day, and then run all night and, and do all these things, but to not have a syllabus, to have to go out and pitch people and develop a marketing plan and deal with all this unknown things, all this fear to get a business going. Boy, I know, I know, this is true for a lot of the guys, I've talked to you there are plenty of times when we start our businesses that we think I'd rather be in combat than have to go through this.
Unknown Speaker 41:45
Yeah, yeah. Especially once you start down the rabbit hole, you're like, discover how big it is. Right? You know, getting marketing, there's a reason there's marketing professionals. Yeah, I'm just so thankful My wife is one, but hundred percent, it just seems easier. That's what you trained for forever, you know, I mean, then you step out, and then you step into a whole new realm. But I think that that is one thing that does come from at least I can speak from the operators point of view is that you're not, you know, you face the fear, you're kind of ready to learn that new challenge. And if it's right for you, you're ready to dive headfirst. And you do learn a lot of lessons, you know, from that, you know, the field about whatever, whatever you're if you're an operator and assault or a shooter, non shooter, you know, counterintelligence guy, whatever it is, there's a lot of good stuff to take from that.
Pete Turner 42:34
When you're high end, business people show up at your camp. And they're like, what's the one thing like I'm, I'm in great shape. I'm mentally tough. I do all these things. I you know, they have they have a lot of the tools already in place. What's your instant reaction, your gut on? where they're going to find their struggle? Is there a pattern to these things at all? I mean, because I know a lot of doctors who spend their life trying to, you know, not just being shaped because they know the body system, but because bending over a patient for 12 hours at a time, Rex, your back. And so they've got to be physically fit to do their job for the next 25 3040 years.
Unknown Speaker 43:12
Yeah, the high end dudes. It's such a pleasure to talk to these guys on the phone. I love knowing that there's so many people out there, they're just kicking ass so much. I would say there is. And of course there isn't, right. Because if you look at the age spectrum, so we do take people from like that whole age bracket, like I said, you know, we want the full spectrum of people to show up. So we can all learn from each other in different ways. The older guys definitely have more trouble with the physical stuff than say, a younger guy, right? Their bodies are just not as resilient. But the older guys are a lot better at having, they're more empathetic, they're better with the team stuff, you know, they've been leaders before. But what they don't have the ability to really understand or practice for fully for I don't think, is just how much we're going to rob their nervous system. Before we actually even go to work. All the little psychological tools we use to prime them before that they can't even get around because they don't know they're happening when they show up. So what happens is, we have this mass exodus on the second here on the on the third day. Okay, so it starts at Day Zero, everybody just slept already by this point. They've all failed many times. But something happened, and I think I think it's something to do with their serotonin or something. I'm not 100% sure, they're just there's no more of that positive self talk left, really. And if you haven't been past that wall, it's very hard to go past that wall. But in that exists, there is no real rhyme or reason. Like we had one guy six for 300 pounds, made a muscle national rodeo champ, you know, just just a monster of a man. And then you know, you got the little dude. You know, Buck 20, soaking wet, and everything in between. So there was no real other than that I think people are shocked. Especially people who aren't used to hitting that wall. You know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to be in training and know you're going to hit a wall. But when we're introducing walls all the time all over? It gets tricky. And I mean,
Pete Turner 45:29
yeah, it's really easy to get defeated. If walls keep coming up everywhere. Like I just got done hitting the wall. Exactly, yeah, I'm going to invoke Rob, again, just because I think there's so many great parallels between these two episodes he talked about, he was at his wall, he had hurt his back, he had that, you know, he had to take a medical timeout. And they, you know, they came to and they said, you know, it's a lot of psychological operations. And but all you guys do, right? So they come up, and they're like, Hey, we know your back is hurt. You're 66 years old, you've made it farther than anybody thought you could. It's already a win. And it's totally fine to stop. So you know, behalf of us, thank you for coming out. And just let us know, if you can't go in the next five minutes, we are going to pull you from the horse. And he said, No, I'm good. I'm going to get up and go ahead and go, you know, so they already gave them the huge carrot of it's okay to quit. And they really meant it. Like they were proud of them. But also, they're pushing him right up to that wall. And he's like, Nope, I'm good. So he goes out. And I don't know if it was Mark, but one of the one of the instructors and these guys are all seals, he looks things like all right, you're a tough guy, I want you to do 16 you know, forward rolls right now on your bad back that you just got up off the ground from and he steeled himself kind of figured out how to do it. And did did his 16 forward somersaults on his wrecked back. And then got ups like had that feels like feels great. I love it. It's like, Well, how about you do it again? Okay, so he gave him every opportunity to to fail physically. But mentally, Rob just found his ability to push through that wall. And this is a 66 year old man,
Unknown Speaker 47:07
with really honestly nothing left to prove. And it's remarkable. Well, it's kind of interesting. Because in those moments, like, like I said, I don't know, seal fit, and Coco. But I can extrapolate a few thoughts here I have one of the Qadri, he's a seal member, and he's worked on cocoa. And so I know some of the parallels there, you have one choice while you're there, you know, what I mean? Is quit or keep going, keep going. And in that there is a bit of almost serenity or something, I don't know what it is that people find where it's if you get used to saying I'm going to keep going, it just gets easier, and easier and easier. You know, and and I'm not saying there isn't like, like Robbie, like, you've got away things, you know, I know my family, you know, I maybe only have hopefully, for his sake, 30 more good years or something, you know, but you gotta weigh those options. But there is only one decision, you know, quit, keep going. And it's amazing what happens if you can person you become if you don't quit.
Pete Turner 48:06
So someone that wants to go and do the Special Forces experience that they're going to get that kind of thing, they're going to get pushed to their limit, you guys are going to show them the wall. And then you're going to keep saying oh, by the way, here's this wall again. And then as they blast you that one, you're bringing up another wall, these guys want this experience, they want this challenge to to really find out what their potential is, what are some of the winds that come out of this, like these guys come back? Obviously, they're going to say, oh my god worth all the money, the experiences of lifetime. But what are the actual, like KPIs for these guys, when they go back? Are they performing at a higher level? What do you have for us?
jeff depatie 48:42
Okay, so I'll just go back to the wall. So it's not just about putting up walls, we carefully craft those walls as it were, okay, for development all the time, whether it's your executive function, like I mentioned earlier, cognitive load your hand eye coordination, into, you know, empathetic centers like communication, all those. So those walls are put up in order to push all of those and while those walls are being built, and taken down, we're observing their behavior. So it's not just about presenting the wall, it's about them discovering things about themselves, US discovering things about themselves, putting it together and almost like a total line between Qadri mentor constantly pushing with suggestions, hey, what do you think about this kind of stuff, and at the same time, trying to definitely have them fail at the wall, right? Men love to teams to be. So some of the wins. We could say improved relationships. So prove relationships, like there's some broad brush ones, like just changing lives, lot of them, they went back, and they started a new business, they gun a chair, you know, they they went there in the hardship they're like, because we forced them to figure out their values. And we have a lot of tools to do that. Because that's a big one, figure out your values isn't, you know, 10 minutes with a piece of paper? Yeah, then they go back to their lives. And their, with the tools, they're able to, like I was saying about vector and what is the direction I actually want to go, that best suits my makeup. And then, you know, together, we kind of do that. So everyone who comes out, they're invited into our mastermind, it's organic, no extra costs, no agenda. But it's just about good men being together with growth mindsets, and pushing that. So a lot of guys are getting a lot out of that, you know, we're bouncing business ideas off each other relationship stuff, it's, I think it has like the ability to be very empowering. And what's been very surprising, is even people who quit early on, get that there are a few that were more psychologically damaged than others. But that's why we have a really good decompression program. And a really good what we call self construction program Following this, so that it's good to get that psychological debt. Because that's if you pull out of it, right, that's exactly what post traumatic growth is, versus, you know, potential PTSD. It's about doing it, right.
Pete Turner 51:13
I love it. Well, listen, we've had you for about an hour, anything else that you want to cover? Get into it? I mean, it sounds incredible. And these kind of things, you know, there's a lot of different ways to approach it. But you know, how masculine is it to go out and be around a bunch of operators and getting pushed by those guys. It's just a shit, man, I love that you're doing this kind of work, and I can ever be of service to you guys. You do? Let me know. And I'm glad to do it. But what what else do you want to cover?
jeff depatie 51:42
Well, for like, I appreciate the time here, Pete. And really, I I'll be, again, from the humble pie side of it, I get just as much out of them. I get to learn, I get to be around all these guys who are successful in all their realms, and I get to learn from them. And that's kind of the thing, you know, not above or below its surrounding ourselves with like minds. And really, it's been an exceptional experience. No, no, I'm good. Pete. enjoyed our chat for sure.
Pete Turner 52:12
You're 100%, right, I learned how to become a an excellent combat spy, because I got to hang around with a bunch of people that have done the job. And even if they were bad at it, I got to watch them be bad at it and go, okay, less of this, more of that for them. And then also for myself, teach myself the same lesson. And hearing, you know, I learned so much from just exchanging that conversation and my own brain hearing me teach somebody else. You know, I'm also like, doubling down what I understand about it. So I get that you get a lot out of it. And it must just be an incredibly fulfilling environment to work within.
Unknown Speaker 52:49
It certainly is it certainly is. It's been a pleasure so far. And there's some exciting, super exciting things in the hopper that we're shopping around right now. And networks want to turn this into a show of some sorts, we're just trying to figure out where our values align with that order to continue spreading the message. And not just, you know, kind of make it another show that's been done already in this.
Unknown Speaker 53:14
When I say realm, I mean, like the military flavor. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Pete Turner 53:18
Hey, so one of the things I often do with, you know, all operator crews is I always offer a chance to ask me some questions, since we shared a lot of field time not together. But we've been to a lot of same places, that kind of thing. Is there anything you want to ask me?
Unknown Speaker 53:31
I yeah, I was curious, you know, from our chats before and never really found out if you if you've been part of the, you know, modern Iraq, the Martin Gulf War, Kurdistan, anything like that you do any participation?
Pete Turner 53:44
Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. I've been in, I would say over half of the maybe over half, I think I could say over half of the provinces in Iraq, and I don't I don't know Kuwait and that, but for sure, I worked in I did some work in Kurdistan, that primarily I never talked about, but some very interesting time trying to understand not only threat because of course, there's always that that's important, but understanding the nation building aspect of what we are trying to accomplish. So yeah, I've talked to thousands of Rockies EZ these, all of them, everybody.
Unknown Speaker 54:20
Yeah, it's such a dynamic landscape there with a billion complex, it needs it. Yeah, one day. If I'm down in your maybe we'll get together and have a beer and talk offline.
Pete Turner 54:31
For for sure. Yeah, I'd love to do that. Hey, everybody. This is Jeff Depatie You guys gotta check out Special Forces experience. com. You can find them on Instagram and just these mindset things that we bring to you guys, we bring them because we're all out there fighting in the same kind of fight in whether you choose to find your walls to Jeff or to somebody else. Just know that there's a lot of this development stuff out there. That's not bullshit. It's These aren't coaches that are 22 years old. these are these are people that are professionals. they've they've hit the walls themselves. They've had to get around them in some way. And so I know you'll enjoy Jeff and, again, Jeff, thank you for coming on and come back anytime. Let's talk again.
jeff depatie 55:13
Alright, thanks, Pete.
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. Our guest today on day four of special operators week is Jeff Depatie. He's a Canadian Special Forces tier one operator specifically a JTF. To sniper a soldier. Now when you think of Canada, well they're like are always smiling next door neighbor pleasant, congenial, mild tempered, but make no mistake, they're special forces operators are badass is of the highest caliber, consider that Canada has been with us in every joint task force peacekeeping mission, and they've stood shoulders up with us in the war on terror since 2001. That is from the very beginning. So they're in it for the haul, and their greatest forged in the cold, but they can do it in the desert in the mountains and everywhere in between. Jeff is himself and expert in tactical shooting with a pistol, the car being the shotgun and the sniper rifle, multiple disciplines of martial arts, piloting a variety of aircraft, skydiving and para motoring. And that's exactly what it sounds like. open water, scuba diving, and high speed pursuit and evasion in or on anything with wheels, two wheels, three wheels, four wheels, more wheels, anything. He's also a Cisco certified network professional, so he can jump in on the target, destroy the building, hack the servers and get the hell out of there before anybody knows what hit him. Jeff is now the co founder and the chief course architect of the process, and you can find them at the Special Forces experience.com. The process takes usually high performing conscientious individuals in the first place and elevates their awareness and capabilities by putting them through the kind of limit testing experiences born to the circumstances that special operators find themselves in during training and on missions. They call it post traumatic growth PTG and it is as far as we can tell, the most advanced form of working out that's tearing the muscle to build it up. In this case, the muscle is one's resilience, decisiveness, resourcefulness and ability to lead by collaborating in ways they never knew. This is why we love special operators and why we're celebrating special operators week and YP is diving in the water this Saturday for the Coronado swim to support the seal veterans foundation. If you want to support Pete and the seal veterans Foundation, go to seal veterans foundation. org. And if you're in the San Diego area, go see Pete in that Sangha live Sangha at Coronado Island this Saturday. It'll be a terrific event. There'll be a lot of inspiring folks there, you're going to love it. Of course, we also support save the brave and you can read about them at save the brave.org Scott using is on the board of save the brave and we're behind the work that they do 100% I will be joining Pete and Scott next week to record some shows. But I'm sorry to say I will not be at the Coronado swim on Saturday. I'm going to have to miss Pete in that saga. I'm wrapping up an eight week body composition challenge at Diablo barbell and going in the dunk tank on Sunday, I will reveal the results of that challenge on Monday's episode. So stay tuned. And that may or may not be good anyway. As always, if you want to share your goals or your fitness progress, or how you're inspired by our presentation of these special forces, guys, leave us a comment on YouTube or on our website or wherever you listen to us. While you're at it. Give the break it down show a five star rating and write us a little review. We would appreciate all of that stuff. Now combining two of our favorite topics, the wisdom of people who have called upon themselves to do something remarkable, and finding a new level of performance in a second chapter of your career. Here's our guest for day four of special operators week, Jeff Depatie
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And now the breakdown show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 4:37
If I'm not mistaken, you are the first non American operator that I've had on the show have to think about that, but I believe are the first one. So welcome to the breakdown show just as Jeff, he's a badass, but he's a badass from Canada, which makes him still a badass. And I love to talk to operators because you bring a unique and tactical sensibility to the world. guys like us who've been in the field a lot. We've been shot out for a living for a long time. There's a practicality, there's a tactical, real reality. And we're the kind of guys that can sit in a boardroom or, you know, in a high level conference, or a staff meeting, you know, with the brigade, a division, you know, something bigger, and just raise your hand and ask the most simple question because we're the guys who have to go do that shit on the ground. So like when they're like, hey, Jeff, you and your team are going to go out and hand out radios like well, who says these guys don't have radios? You know, or I'll give you an example. I was asked, Hey, Pete, kind of a hidden like, dangerous question for me in that value working? What's the most prevalent TV channel, you know, kind of a test of my knowledge? And I was able to come back with there's no electricity in that valley. None.
jeff depatie 5:49
ground truth,
Pete Turner 5:50
these ground truth moments Yes, exactly, are critical for what we do. Talk to me a little bit about your path to get into. What about what basically you told me off Mike was, it's essentially the Delta Force for for Canada, which is high praise. And that doesn't take off anything from recon or Rangers or a seals or SF, but there, you know, different teams, different jobs. Talk to me a little bit about what you've experienced and how it was getting there.
Unknown Speaker 6:19
All right, people I, before I get going really, I want to thank you for the opportunity to be on your show. Okay. Oh, my pleasure. Next is Yeah, being from Canada probably makes us more badass. Yeah, I come from unit called joint task force to or JTF. To that's Canada's national mission unit, whether its domestic or abroad. Yeah. And when I say like Delta Force, that's for the American audience to kind of backtrack and say, okay, where does he kind of fit in, in the military scheme of things. And as you know, once you start getting into that realm, you kind of move out of the military, and you don't want to see transcend Oh, but you know, like you're working with in your country, CIA, NSA, although, you know, I mean, so it kind of moves out of just the military. But yeah, I'd say for broad brush purpose, that's kind of the unit I come from.
Pete Turner 7:01
Yeah, let me give the audience some clarity to because maybe they still don't quite know, if you think about the CIA, they find something out, they need someone to act on the Intel that they get, in the case of the US, oftentimes, that is the Delta Force, because that's their primary job, they're considered to be, at least again, from the US point of view, they're considered to be assets that are always in a time of war. So they're funded differently, they're provisioned at a level that's completely different than then basically any other unit, because they are doing some of the most tip of the spear work that there is. So it to Canada certainly has a version of that, you know, you need to have some act, you need to have something that you know, an action based on the Intel that you collect. And whether that's going and getting someone and rescuing them from a terrorist abduction situation, or, or something else, you have to have guys that can do these kinds of things. Here's what I know about Delta Force guys in general, and seals and Green Berets. And, you know, kind of secondary. You guys don't ever stop training, you don't ever stop honing the skills that you have. And you're always gathering new skills, I mean, the dude that you were at 18, there's nowhere near as qualified to do anything compared to the dude that you are now. Hey, this is Pete real quick, I just want to let you guys know, we are proud to announce our official support of save the brave, a certified nonprofit 501 c three, with a charter of helping veterans with post traumatic stress, here's how you can help go to save the brave, calm, click on the link on the website. And my recommendation is this subscribe, give him 20 bucks a month, you've got subscriptions that you can turn off right now that you're not using that are $20 a month, swap that out, get involved. Let's help these folks out. You guys don't ever stop training. You don't ever stop honing the skills that you have. And you're always gathering new skills. I mean, the dude that you were at 18, there's nowhere near as qualified to do anything, compared to the dude that you are now.
Unknown Speaker 8:58
Yeah, we it's the endless pursuit of excellence, you know, in order to be that Silver Arrow in the government's quiver that they can launch at any time for any reason? Yeah, you got to be sharpening it constantly. And it's done in all kinds of ways, you know, small, trivial training, all the way up to the best assets, like in the States, I'll just speak to that, like, you guys have every kind of asset there is that we can tap into and all kinds of training all over the world, every experience, your operator needs to be able to go into any situation and handle any situation. So you know, good luck training for that.
Pete Turner 9:36
Yeah, I mean, good luck. Indeed. Right. So as you guys can find Jeff on Instagram, at Special Forces experience at Special Forces experience, you can also go to his website, Special Forces experience. com, what he and his his bros do is they they take high performing men who want to have like an immersive situation, you know, it's not remember a camp, but it's the chance to stress yourself out in a positive, healthy environment with this kind of a context. So that's their main business. So definitely go, I think you'll like what you find that
Unknown Speaker 10:12
special forces experience. com, we would define it as an immersive growth experience for high achieving men. So don't just think it's just an experience like the military, the idea that it's divided up into four phases. It's spread out almost a year. And it's designed to deep dive into your personality and your behavior, along with having a really great experience that's totally tailored towards men, from roughly 25 up to about 55, usually a little bit older, their bodies can't handle it. I won't tell anyone that their body can't handle it. But the truth is, is it's pretty vigorous and then younger. They're usually not open mind. I don't want to say they're not open mind, but their minds aren't really prepared to grasp the magnitude of what's about to come.
Pete Turner 10:53
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. We prior right around the time that your episode posts will have a guy named Rob Bowens, who is probably the fittest 67 year old man you're ever going to encounter. He was a Air Force PJ and for those that don't know PJ is always get respect from everybody because they're a defensive Special Forces type asset they come and get your ass when your have your back broken and you're hanging from a tree by a parachute. They're the guys that come and rescue you and and, like Delta Force like these other forces that have to be impossible missions. These guys have every mission, every spot on the planet, whether you're in an ocean or at the top of a mountain. When you hear a PJ is coming, you're super excited. So this is what he did. Jeff, he said, Mark Devine, who runs a buds prep program. He's a seal commander himself. 95% graduation from buds if you go through marks program, and you graduate from his program first. As a 66 year old man, Rob went through and passed. And he's like, Yeah, I thought I was going to die. I was never going to quit, they were going to have to put me in a body bag. And I'm like, dude, you have kids. You're a grandpa family. Does that make any sense? It He's like, no, it doesn't make any sense. But it is how he's wired. You know? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 12:07
It's interesting. You mentioned the wiring Pete. When we were building the program, we started questioning men from all over to discover their wiring, if you will, you know, what's missing in your life? What do you like in your life and then start digging into the research the science of it, it just turns out that a lot of men, most men, usually because we're testosterone, primary love adventure discovery. True. truly seeking out hierarchy, you know, how we fit in? Not not like rank, but hierarchy? Like how do I way up against the next man? And it's amazing what that drive can lead people to do. It's amazing, such as six year old again, through the buds selections, or coke or whatever one he did with Mark.
Pete Turner 12:50
Yeah, yeah. And, and his level of fitness is extraordinary. But But the reality is, is that it was his mental fortitude, not his physical fortitude that got him through because that's, that's what buds does is they look for your thing. They they uncover like, okay, and really honestly, like all of you guys that do these kind of things. Remy Atalay comes to mind, he's a seal. He's a crappy swimmer, at least in terms of, you know, in the seal community he got through and he figured it out. But that was his biggest battle wasn't mental. He was glad to die on the beach. But it didn't make him a faster swimmer. So he had to figure out how to persevere through that. What would you say is your thing with that? I mean, that's obviously not going to be running or whatever. But when do you have to dig into that unknown part of your brain where Rob Rob Owens talks about the voices that normally silence you have to scream at you? Because you're you're defying them?
Unknown Speaker 13:46
Okay, well, it's interesting, you mentioned swimming, swimming, because you can train for but physiologically you can be terrible at it. And physiologically, my body, I have heavy bones, I have low body fat. So which is leads to me not being a great swimmer, that but that's not I wouldn't say that's my thing. At this time of my life. It's different, right? I'm not an operator anymore. I've moved past that. Sometimes now. It's, it's the weirder ones, you know, those, I don't want to see fear of success. But you know, fear of missing out on life, you know, missed opportunities, those kind of things start to sink in where I'm like, those are the voices I have to overcome physically. I've overcome quite a bit now. And recently, I was just up in Helena. And we went, and, of course, there's mountains in that area. And I just looked at them and I'm like, Oh, I gotta go climb that mountain. You know what I mean? But yeah, times for me, it's about not climbing it as well. It's about I'm at a point where I'm like, I don't need that quite as much. So seeking out those physical adversities, although I still do them. They're few and far between. But for me, now, it's more in the business world more mental. That's where it shows up more, like I was saying, lack of fear, failure, missed opportunities, that kind of stuff, those can be like, okay, that's the voice I gotta overcome.
Pete Turner 15:00
I was talking with Jeff Bosley, who's a green Bray. And he's not a Green Beret anymore. But he's a former action guy himself. And we were talking about how guys like us. And look, I am not a special operator. But if you saw me work in the field, if I can be your team, you would you would embrace me because of my work ethic, my professionalism at what I do. So in that case, I'm going to refer to us as field peers, although I don't have your, your documents in your in your dossier. I can blend in. So guys like us, we don't know, automatically had to turn it off when we come home. So when we're told, hey, you're going to redeploy, you're going to get some relaxation time, everybody take a break, then we'll take a break. When we get left our own devices were like that mountain needs climbing this building these built, I need to chop down these 15 trees, right?
Unknown Speaker 15:49
Yeah, it's, I would say first, being an operator doesn't add inches to your deck. You know what I mean? Pete I man is not measured by that, right. But in general, the nature of selections, and the way funnels human beings and the ones that does pick Yeah, they're, they're the ones who are always on. And it can be tough to flick that switch off, in fact, took me a while to be able to kind of like, come back down from that, you know, nine months away. You know, it as you show up to work every day you have to be on you are performing the man next to you needs to count on you for everything, whatever you're sent on. At that time, you got to be able to deliver, so have to be always on, it's
Pete Turner 16:26
true. The the term that we use on our end is we call it you know, like if you come to a new place, you go through a murder board. And you have to show that you have the credentials to to work with this team, they have to know they're going to rely on you. So you're always performing that role of I'm reliable, you can count on me, I'm going to come through I'm not going to quit. And in the big army world, if you work for the 82nd airborne, they just outwork problems, whatever the enemy's doing for 20 hours a day, the 82nd will do it for 22. It just so if you leave at 12 hours, seven days a week, 12 hours, they call you half day, Hey, what's up half day? You're like Jesus Christ, I worked out.
Unknown Speaker 17:08
Yeah, yeah. It's always a challenge with the high paced units. It's been a while since I've been in the reg forces. So I can't speak to what it's like now. But is recognizing we do need to be able to switch this off. We do need these guys to be able to go home and be with their families. Like the the unsung heroes, if you will, is one fighting the fight back home, you know, so a man or woman who goes back is still in the hopper ready to go for action is not ideal for the family situation. So there's a lot of time and money put into that, rightfully so because you got to be able to turn it off for that support unit back home to keep it healthy.
Pete Turner 17:43
I often struck and how much I didn't realize this, but when people thank me for my service on my gosh, thank my daughter. Because, you know, thankfully, she didn't pay the ultimate price. And you know, I'm still around. But she didn't get to get raised by me. I was gone all the time. And and if anybody pay the price, it was her not having me around. And we definitely guys like us we struggle with an elegant solution we often go to the alpha solution was just just out begging out strong outworking things. When did you start to develop elegant solutions to life's problems? Or have you yet?
jeff depatie 18:19
Well, I'd like to believe I got some things figured out Pete, I think it depends, because I just want to kind of touch back on, you're saying thank your daughter. You know, for guys like us, we accept that we could go and we could put our lives on the line. Right. And that's it. In theory, you know, whether you have other beliefs back on this room, that's it for us and the weight of what they have to deal with back home, I didn't have elegant solutions for that at the time. I was deploying and stuff like that I was, I wasn't bringing home elegant solutions. It wasn't until I left the military that I started to discover elegant solutions for my relationships. But I would say like a super easy one is just a simple check in with your partner. You know, mind, body, soul, spirit, heart, whatever you want to put in there, and you convey to your partner almost daily with gratitude. Here's what I'm feeling. Here's where my head's at, you know, because in the pace that the military is in, and the SF especially avoid can start to fill up. And if you know you guys aren't communicating where your heads are at, that boy just fills up and fills up and fills up in the gap can grow and grow. And that's just a simple way to can practice gratitude between you and your partner and let them know where you're at. And they let you know where you're at.
Pete Turner 19:33
You're making a unique bridge between the operator mentality and mindset. I guess that's the same thing, but the operator mentality, and physicality and the boardroom? What have you noticed that your business based clients bring that maybe you don't have because we have a different world business base clients that I've noticed, okay.
Unknown Speaker 19:57
Well, to be if I was to be open at all, is about everything. I went to school, I took Chemical Engineering, Computer Systems Engineering, so I didn't develop any business sense there. And I went to the military, and I wasn't focused on business, you know, I was doing the business, the business of selling the brand, their business of, you know, always showing up, whether it's an ambassador, leader of a country, you know, you got to show up, speak properly, all that kind of stuff. When I came out and into the business world. I think I started to see, you know, the power of networking, social level networking, and how much strength that has kinda like, what a podcast does, right? An organic spreading of the word, you know, that kind of stuff really started to dawn on me, as far as just pure business came to it. Also, the some more simple stuff, you know, structuring, structuring my company, things of that nature, I was, I had very good intuition about it. And I consider myself quite intelligent, as far as having any practical side of it learned from some great, great minds out there on that,
Pete Turner 21:02
yeah, it's a lot of resources. Can you give us any examples of some of these lessons that you picked up that you're like, wow, that's not a tool that I have in my bag, or it's not in the shape that I'd want it to be?
Unknown Speaker 21:12
Okay, really, really understanding the person across from you, what they're really saying, and really understanding what they bring, what their personality brings what my personally brings, and how that best works together? Yes, in the world of the operator, we do that too. But because our, we're we're mission focused, it was really good at being mission focused, which is different than a business focus, just behind your motives and that kind of stuff. So I would say, practicing empathy, you know, having a man having deep open conversations with other men, it can be tough, you know, so when I was piecing this together, having those conversations, like just seeing the little core nugget of what makes us human and other men, especially
Pete Turner 21:52
the program, you've built these special forces experience, how did that idea come about? I mean, everybody wants to do something a lot this but you're actually no shit doing it. So how did you come to it? How did you have a sense for that? That it was a viable idea.
Unknown Speaker 22:08
So here I am a tier one sniper with the best sniping unit in the world. And I won't even get into like the I say sniper. But the complexities of actually what comes with that, you know, we're world record holding unit. We're kind of kicking ass and taking names. Then I meet this woman, as one often does in San Diego. We were actually we were doing called skydiving, some Hayhoe training down in the area, here, wind it out. And we went out and had a few pops. And I met this woman. And it changed my life. It was a catalyst that I it was a point in my life that can never be under undersold, you know, it was so important. But when I met her, she said, I don't want to be with someone who's in the military. Haha, now, it's nothing. Her father's Vietnam vet her. Her grandfather was actually one of the original SEAL team members so that they have a pedigree of military so it's not that she didn't like it. She just didn't like she couldn't handle the time apart. Right. And, and not handle, she was smart enough to know that she didn't want to. So anyways, this started the conversation of like, Okay, what am I going to do now? Well, I just spent 15 years in the military, most of it in the SF, I have a super specific skill set. What does that look like in the real world? Well, first thing you gotta identify as a problem, right? Pete know, she kinda was like, okay, men are kind of in this stage right now, this, this development history, this in this modern world, whether a little bit listless, where they're potentially missing something or looking for something that might not be there, I'll refer to like, all our ancient wiring. Now in the modern world that we don't get to use all the time in the military, we get to use it a little bit more in some jobs, you get to use it a little bit more. But most of what man does these days, he doesn't fully use his deep, innate tools. So she said to me, she said, Well, what about some kind of man camp? And I literally laughed out loud, because I just had this vision of, you know, scores and x rowing. And it was like, no, that's not for me. I can't go from 100, back down to 20. You know what I mean? So that was kind of the genesis of it. And then we started, like I said, asking the questions, okay, what do men like? What do they want? Aster wise? What does it look like your husband's missing, what's not being involved. And then we went to the research of why we started piecing this program together. And it was kind of cool, because it was like, okay, it's going to look like this. And then it's going to look like this, we just kept layering things on spreading out the time. Like I said, we ended up at this point of four phases, spread out over no less than seven months, with a big culminating eight day event that, you know, is extremely difficult, mostly psychological. And the whole point of it is to induce behavioral change on your own terms. You know, it's like, we're in this self help revolution right now, where people are pumping shit out and you're reading it, you're like, wait, why am I even reading this, it doesn't even pertain to my personality, or, more importantly, my environment, you know, so we will assess the personality will put them in different environments, and then we look at their behavior. And that's one of our things. p plus equals b, it's a derivative from a psychologist, his name is Lou. And we've taken it, we've kind of pumped it up on steroids with all our modern technology and research. Yeah, but we just kept adding things in, you know, we look at ancient things like Buddhism, or Christianity, or some of the Far East teachings like the E Ching and stuff. And we started looking and seeing these parallels, they started similar language, you know, I mean, collective would he call it collective wisdom, right? We're thousands of years of observation. People have seen things, seeing things. We didn't need scientists to know certain thing, but they've had their own versions of it. And then we kind of start stuffing that in and, you know, started exploding out the ends. And then I started meeting the Qadri. And they started bringing in their point of view, which consists of American and Canadian men, and some women, because we need the female perspective on this certain Yeah, we just kept jamming, that kind of stuff in, I was kind of in a lucky position, I've made some investments that could keep me floating for a while in the real estate world and just kept building and building. And then last year, we launched 01. And when people come back to us, and they're like, You changed my life. And when I seen change life, and people that most of the guys make between 150, up to about half a million dollars, they're all intelligent, they all support their communities do community work. There's a few on the outside of this, because we did take some young men who they're just not, you know, they're there, they're on their path. They're just not there yet. And every single one of them has come back. And the reward for us is that we rejected them a little bit, not all them drastically, you know, I mean, that's not what we're here to do. Because we're here to take guys who could just use a little bit of a shift, you know, in their values, their outlooks, whatever it is their purpose.
Pete Turner 26:54
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Unknown Speaker 27:18
who could just use a little bit of a shift, you know, and their values, their outlooks, whatever it is their purpose.
Pete Turner 27:24
Yeah. Wow, man. That's, that's fantastic. And then I guess all of us need some form of this. What if someone isn't able to take seven months or a year to go through this kind of program? How does one, you know micro dose this thing and get what out of it? They have time to do because, you know, we got kids, we got bosses, we got commutes. And it's like, hey, I'd love to take time off to go to man camp and get some s'mores and some push ups. But reality is I can't do that shit.
Unknown Speaker 27:52
Okay, I hear you loud and clear on that one. So that's kind of what the, the overall thing of this is. So I'll do a quick explanation, then I'll give like a hot tip as it were. Okay. So first, it's spread out. But phase two and phase four, are, what I would say is they're not expensive, they're not a super heavy lift, because you have kids because you have work because you go to sleep for you know, 30 your day. So it's not like, the only thing that would probably kind of fit in there that would force you more time is the physical on the first bit. But we do start diving into your personality, we do start tearing into your past and all that kind of stuff, and etc, etc, etc. And we'll get into all the things that it is. But it's designed to be that light Lyft. And same with phase four. I won't get into that, Pete, but it's the same thing where Yeah, I can't take the time off, you know, I mean, now the eight days is the eight days is the eight days. If you can't make that kind of time, you can't make that time for this program, right. But if I was to like, say, okay, kind of a gist of it, I'll go back to my equation p plus E equals b. When we're doing assessments on ourselves, usually, we're assessing something in the personality realm. Now, when I use the variable p, it means a lot of things. But it's all it's like things that you would your values, your motives, your characteristics, you know, it can be whatever you got from the Big Five, psych test, or whatever it is, you kind of stuff it in there. And you're you contemplate on that you think about it, and you think, Okay, what is actually me? And what do I want to keep? What do I want to change, because now with neuro plasticity, we can change things you can change your mind, you know, like, there's some things we can't change. But there are a lot of things with epigenetics and stuff that we're learning you can change. Next, look at your environment, your environment is actually more easy to change, then people think they just tell themselves, it's not now in that environment, you know, do you want to be working at that job all day? Do you want to be spending time away from your kids all the time just to work or, like whatever that balance is, I won't dictate it for every man, that's going to be different. But look at all the pieces of your environment that force your personality to be a certain way, and then look at the behavior it produces. And then you kind of like, combine that with your goals. Do I want to change it? Do I not want to change it? It's huge in theory, but it's a very nice manageable way to kind of start looking at your life a little bit, you know, don't let this be overwhelming patients, like I said, spread over time. That's why it's designed to be seven months minimum. In fact, like I tell everyone, it's a direction. It's not a destination. You know, that's that's how the process is, it's forever. So just just be patient with it. But the reason we do spreader over that time is because as soon as someone commits to it, and they pay their money, energetically, they are involved in this, their mind, I'm guessing cannot step away from the fact that in 5768 months, they are about to go through the hardest experience in their life, which will just continue what they've already started doing in the face to portion of it, but it kind of keeps them in that hopper. And what happens is that's where we can find behavior changes, whether big and drastic or small.
Pete Turner 30:59
So you said it can word of that whole thing. epigenetics and believe it or not, we've examined that for several hours on the podcast. Over time, our official epigenetics experts are Attila. Hi do. And again, I'm Dr. Tracy gap and Dr. gap and works with high end performers like like you're talking about and and he works on, you know, accentuating the epigenetics that create, you know, like your own personal genetic code, it's like, Hey, I tend to have this and so accentuating and then D tuning the negative side of things. And it's incredible how specific we can get with diet and certain activities to really hyper perform, you know, create hyper performance. And then also Last time, we had him on he started talking about peptides, and putting, you know, chain amino acids together, again, to create different outcomes with with us physically, whether it's increased energy level, or whatever it is, how deep Do you guys dive into the epigenetic and the peptide aspect of what you do? I would say we back up,
Unknown Speaker 32:03
okay. One of the most important things that you or I can do to influence these epigenetics is literally the story we tell ourselves, you know, the words we use, and our surroundings. That's the first step two, you know, I mean, like, I can't sit here and just like focus on let's see if you know, the word conscientiousness. Sure, it's, it's in, it's in personality profiles and stuff like that. I can't just really just sit here and say, I want to be more conscious. And you know, like, some things you have to do to nurture it, right. And that's about putting yourself in those, that proper environment. Next, when it comes to like neuro peptides and stuff like that. You need to be eating right? And thinking, right, so what we do in phase four is, that's where we build that. So we take the psychological and the physiological. And as you're rebuilding yourself, as it were, we're making sure you're eating right, and you're using the right words, to build yourself when I say the right words, I'm not telling you I wouldn't no one will ever hear me say, Pete, this is what you should write about what I'm saying is what is right for you. Okay. And that's what another reason, it's got to be spread over time, because I can't look at you, we as a Qadri for one day, and be like, Okay, we got to figure it out. In order to mean even over seven months, we don't got to figure it out. But we have a better understanding at least, and then take all that and then that's the way it works. There. It is on the other side. But I would say just like as a simple trick for those listening, the words you use, there's some I don't know what it is, this is just kind of on a tangent here. With, well, you know, the power of story, Repeat the word, the way our language centers in our brain work and program, our brain, I think just beginning to be discovered, you know, if you tell yourself you suck every day, you're probably going to suck. You know, that's a simple example. But, you know, it's not like the old 50s, you know, actually too attractive in demand. But it's kind of like that, you know what I mean?
Pete Turner 34:04
Yeah, Rob Owens, was talking about a lot of what you're talking again, high level for former, he went through PJ School decades ago, at 66. It goes through Mark divides, you know, but buds winning class. So he understands the mental aspect. And he and Mark, were talking about the things that you do at a baseline day to day, minute to minute, you know, and it was, it was the simplest things, and it was first thing is breathing, control your breathing, get it, you know, and breathe in a way that helps you empower the outcome that you want. But also that self talk, even out loud self talk, and almost just drowning out the negative voice. And Rob talks about his sort his mantra that he uses, and basically doesn't even allow failure to enter the equation. It's just these two things, and it's not everything. But just those two things will push you through a lot of barriers that you might not otherwise. You know, make it through. What are your thoughts on on those aspects? Is that something that you guys leverage as well? Well,
Unknown Speaker 35:05
yeah, so we use priming, all through the entire process of the Special Forces experience. So sometimes, yeah, I'll go to the self talk in a second. But it helps to hear words from other people too. Because first, we can't see shadows and blind spots. So it's really good, you know, put on the humble, humble pants or whatever you like to say, and be willing to hear others. So breathing and posture breathing. And, sure. So I'll say breathing, like I agree with 100%. And then posture, those are two quick accesses to our parasympathetic nervous system, which helps calm us down. And we need to stay calm, because if we're not calm, or maybe lyst, starts to swell up and get over produce productive. And same with the hippocampus. And then we start storing things in an improper way. So with breathing and posture, you know, like that chest out, too proud, and you know, not arrogant, but that's kind of a good way to calm and also release some endorphins to help you feel good, then self talk, I would take it to the next step, something called implementation intention. Self talks, good, I really do believe in it. But I think you take it to the next step, not just being positive, but set goals with that self talk. So you're at work, and you want a race. like, Okay, next time I see my boss, I'm going to ask him for a race, I'm gonna ask him for a raise, you know, I'm going to be confident when I do that, all that kind of stuff. But take it the next step. Say, when I see my boss at the water cooler, I'm going to say this, this and this, and I'm going to be this this and this, you know, like, maximize as much as you can with that self talk, because visualization is a very powerful tool. No secret. It's been out for a while. Why not use it? You know, practice go. You were in the military. Remember, rehearsals, rock drills, you know? Yeah. Yeah, go through it, go through it, they go through it. One thing I will say, though, is failure. I don't know how they define failure. But to me, failure is only if you don't learn from your mistakes. Yeah. So don't be scared to put yourself in positions to fail, because that's where you're going to learn, you know what I mean? And I wasn't listening to them. And I know, you just kind of briefly said it. I just, yeah, that's how I feel about it.
Pete Turner 37:20
Yeah, I think they would say the same things. I think we're talking about the same constructs. I mean, because Absolutely, I think the next thing at a Rob's mouth was, you know, small goals, because what he's talking about is, in that moment, when your body is telling you to quit, and your brain is starting to get your mind and your brain are starting to agree with your body. How do you what steps do you take to force yourself to get into that scary that last 20% of your capability? You know,
jeff depatie 37:50
you know, we had one of our candidates, he didn't make it through. But he realized very quickly,
Pete Turner 37:57
he had hit, he hit a wall. So
Unknown Speaker 37:59
that's what you do, right? You hit that wall, and you're like, oh, boy, I I'm overwhelmed. I'm physically tired. I'm psychologically drained. I'm at a wall, oh, you look at that next pebble, move to that pebble. And you see that sticking to that next step, like just bringing it down to like those micro moment by micro moment, things to talk yourself through. And the more those micro moments you face in life, the bigger that gap gets, right, your mind is ready for the big cognitive load, it's ready to handle the big cortisol dumps and stuff like that. And that's why you go into things so that the next time it happens, your body's like, I've been here, I can handle this, you know, yeah, you push that barrier, more and more. pro athletes are really good at it. High End operators are really good at a lot of military people, there's a lot of people in different realms that are really good at it. And it just helps to go outside of your own realm. And do it, you know, I mean, if you're always running OC hours, or whatever it is, go somewhere else go give a speech somewhere, something, whatever it is, that kind of gets that pang of terror in your belly. And it will help it grow.
Pete Turner 39:00
Yeah, and again, I keep bringing a product, it's just it's fresh in my mind, as we were talking on Monday, but it's the same thing over and over again, like finding that wall. And that I'm really big believer, Jeff. And finally, where the work is, right? It's one thing to have outcomes, and have no idea where the sticking points are, and know that you're going to hit them. But finding that point with that sticking point is and if that wall is your sticking point, but let's say it's breaking a five minute mile, well, you're going to get there by banging into that wall enough that fear is no longer a problem, you know, and whatever the whatever the solution ends up becoming, whether it's just powering through it or starting your run a little more calm, you know, whatever it may be, maybe it's a meditation phase, before you go out and try to crack that five minute mile. You know, you've got to find that wall so that you can start to work on how do I get around through over blasting this wall out of my way. And it's, you have to have the ability to withstand I like to call it miss comfort. It's just a comfort, you don't know. And once you get past it, next thing, you know, you're you're running a you know, a high four mile instead of a low five.
Unknown Speaker 40:07
Yeah. Obviously, eventually, you know, there's a reason there's steroids out there. There's just so much your mind and your body can do body like MIT, I'll just speak modern male is apex predator, we have been designed through millennia, to be fast and strong, and many, many great things. But we all have a wall that will never get through. My thing now is like, do I need to get through that wall? Right? I'm making beer, does that make me better? You know, does that? Is that more servitude to the community? You know what I mean? Like, sometimes I find people go down past and then they get there. And they're like, Oh, no, you know, I came all this way. Was it worth it? You know? So if it's worth it, keep breaking those balls. Of course, if that's what you want to do. I'm 100% for getting to the next level. That's what I do that too. But now I just find myself very careful about where I'm going to be vector that energy.
Pete Turner 41:01
Yeah, I agree. And I think that's the elegance that comes from us guys who are no longer in the field, and we're trying to find a new way to because what you're doing now, I would imagine is harder than any aspect of, you know, becoming, you know, the warrior that you were, I mean, it's one thing to stay up all day, and then run all night and, and do all these things, but to not have a syllabus, to have to go out and pitch people and develop a marketing plan and deal with all this unknown things, all this fear to get a business going. Boy, I know, I know, this is true for a lot of the guys, I've talked to you there are plenty of times when we start our businesses that we think I'd rather be in combat than have to go through this.
Unknown Speaker 41:45
Yeah, yeah. Especially once you start down the rabbit hole, you're like, discover how big it is. Right? You know, getting marketing, there's a reason there's marketing professionals. Yeah, I'm just so thankful My wife is one, but hundred percent, it just seems easier. That's what you trained for forever, you know, I mean, then you step out, and then you step into a whole new realm. But I think that that is one thing that does come from at least I can speak from the operators point of view is that you're not, you know, you face the fear, you're kind of ready to learn that new challenge. And if it's right for you, you're ready to dive headfirst. And you do learn a lot of lessons, you know, from that, you know, the field about whatever, whatever you're if you're an operator and assault or a shooter, non shooter, you know, counterintelligence guy, whatever it is, there's a lot of good stuff to take from that.
Pete Turner 42:34
When you're high end, business people show up at your camp. And they're like, what's the one thing like I'm, I'm in great shape. I'm mentally tough. I do all these things. I you know, they have they have a lot of the tools already in place. What's your instant reaction, your gut on? where they're going to find their struggle? Is there a pattern to these things at all? I mean, because I know a lot of doctors who spend their life trying to, you know, not just being shaped because they know the body system, but because bending over a patient for 12 hours at a time, Rex, your back. And so they've got to be physically fit to do their job for the next 25 3040 years.
Unknown Speaker 43:12
Yeah, the high end dudes. It's such a pleasure to talk to these guys on the phone. I love knowing that there's so many people out there, they're just kicking ass so much. I would say there is. And of course there isn't, right. Because if you look at the age spectrum, so we do take people from like that whole age bracket, like I said, you know, we want the full spectrum of people to show up. So we can all learn from each other in different ways. The older guys definitely have more trouble with the physical stuff than say, a younger guy, right? Their bodies are just not as resilient. But the older guys are a lot better at having, they're more empathetic, they're better with the team stuff, you know, they've been leaders before. But what they don't have the ability to really understand or practice for fully for I don't think, is just how much we're going to rob their nervous system. Before we actually even go to work. All the little psychological tools we use to prime them before that they can't even get around because they don't know they're happening when they show up. So what happens is, we have this mass exodus on the second here on the on the third day. Okay, so it starts at Day Zero, everybody just slept already by this point. They've all failed many times. But something happened, and I think I think it's something to do with their serotonin or something. I'm not 100% sure, they're just there's no more of that positive self talk left, really. And if you haven't been past that wall, it's very hard to go past that wall. But in that exists, there is no real rhyme or reason. Like we had one guy six for 300 pounds, made a muscle national rodeo champ, you know, just just a monster of a man. And then you know, you got the little dude. You know, Buck 20, soaking wet, and everything in between. So there was no real other than that I think people are shocked. Especially people who aren't used to hitting that wall. You know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to be in training and know you're going to hit a wall. But when we're introducing walls all the time all over? It gets tricky. And I mean,
Pete Turner 45:29
yeah, it's really easy to get defeated. If walls keep coming up everywhere. Like I just got done hitting the wall. Exactly, yeah, I'm going to invoke Rob, again, just because I think there's so many great parallels between these two episodes he talked about, he was at his wall, he had hurt his back, he had that, you know, he had to take a medical timeout. And they, you know, they came to and they said, you know, it's a lot of psychological operations. And but all you guys do, right? So they come up, and they're like, Hey, we know your back is hurt. You're 66 years old, you've made it farther than anybody thought you could. It's already a win. And it's totally fine to stop. So you know, behalf of us, thank you for coming out. And just let us know, if you can't go in the next five minutes, we are going to pull you from the horse. And he said, No, I'm good. I'm going to get up and go ahead and go, you know, so they already gave them the huge carrot of it's okay to quit. And they really meant it. Like they were proud of them. But also, they're pushing him right up to that wall. And he's like, Nope, I'm good. So he goes out. And I don't know if it was Mark, but one of the one of the instructors and these guys are all seals, he looks things like all right, you're a tough guy, I want you to do 16 you know, forward rolls right now on your bad back that you just got up off the ground from and he steeled himself kind of figured out how to do it. And did did his 16 forward somersaults on his wrecked back. And then got ups like had that feels like feels great. I love it. It's like, Well, how about you do it again? Okay, so he gave him every opportunity to to fail physically. But mentally, Rob just found his ability to push through that wall. And this is a 66 year old man,
Unknown Speaker 47:07
with really honestly nothing left to prove. And it's remarkable. Well, it's kind of interesting. Because in those moments, like, like I said, I don't know, seal fit, and Coco. But I can extrapolate a few thoughts here I have one of the Qadri, he's a seal member, and he's worked on cocoa. And so I know some of the parallels there, you have one choice while you're there, you know, what I mean? Is quit or keep going, keep going. And in that there is a bit of almost serenity or something, I don't know what it is that people find where it's if you get used to saying I'm going to keep going, it just gets easier, and easier and easier. You know, and and I'm not saying there isn't like, like Robbie, like, you've got away things, you know, I know my family, you know, I maybe only have hopefully, for his sake, 30 more good years or something, you know, but you gotta weigh those options. But there is only one decision, you know, quit, keep going. And it's amazing what happens if you can person you become if you don't quit.
Pete Turner 48:06
So someone that wants to go and do the Special Forces experience that they're going to get that kind of thing, they're going to get pushed to their limit, you guys are going to show them the wall. And then you're going to keep saying oh, by the way, here's this wall again. And then as they blast you that one, you're bringing up another wall, these guys want this experience, they want this challenge to to really find out what their potential is, what are some of the winds that come out of this, like these guys come back? Obviously, they're going to say, oh my god worth all the money, the experiences of lifetime. But what are the actual, like KPIs for these guys, when they go back? Are they performing at a higher level? What do you have for us?
jeff depatie 48:42
Okay, so I'll just go back to the wall. So it's not just about putting up walls, we carefully craft those walls as it were, okay, for development all the time, whether it's your executive function, like I mentioned earlier, cognitive load your hand eye coordination, into, you know, empathetic centers like communication, all those. So those walls are put up in order to push all of those and while those walls are being built, and taken down, we're observing their behavior. So it's not just about presenting the wall, it's about them discovering things about themselves, US discovering things about themselves, putting it together and almost like a total line between Qadri mentor constantly pushing with suggestions, hey, what do you think about this kind of stuff, and at the same time, trying to definitely have them fail at the wall, right? Men love to teams to be. So some of the wins. We could say improved relationships. So prove relationships, like there's some broad brush ones, like just changing lives, lot of them, they went back, and they started a new business, they gun a chair, you know, they they went there in the hardship they're like, because we forced them to figure out their values. And we have a lot of tools to do that. Because that's a big one, figure out your values isn't, you know, 10 minutes with a piece of paper? Yeah, then they go back to their lives. And their, with the tools, they're able to, like I was saying about vector and what is the direction I actually want to go, that best suits my makeup. And then, you know, together, we kind of do that. So everyone who comes out, they're invited into our mastermind, it's organic, no extra costs, no agenda. But it's just about good men being together with growth mindsets, and pushing that. So a lot of guys are getting a lot out of that, you know, we're bouncing business ideas off each other relationship stuff, it's, I think it has like the ability to be very empowering. And what's been very surprising, is even people who quit early on, get that there are a few that were more psychologically damaged than others. But that's why we have a really good decompression program. And a really good what we call self construction program Following this, so that it's good to get that psychological debt. Because that's if you pull out of it, right, that's exactly what post traumatic growth is, versus, you know, potential PTSD. It's about doing it, right.
Pete Turner 51:13
I love it. Well, listen, we've had you for about an hour, anything else that you want to cover? Get into it? I mean, it sounds incredible. And these kind of things, you know, there's a lot of different ways to approach it. But you know, how masculine is it to go out and be around a bunch of operators and getting pushed by those guys. It's just a shit, man, I love that you're doing this kind of work, and I can ever be of service to you guys. You do? Let me know. And I'm glad to do it. But what what else do you want to cover?
jeff depatie 51:42
Well, for like, I appreciate the time here, Pete. And really, I I'll be, again, from the humble pie side of it, I get just as much out of them. I get to learn, I get to be around all these guys who are successful in all their realms, and I get to learn from them. And that's kind of the thing, you know, not above or below its surrounding ourselves with like minds. And really, it's been an exceptional experience. No, no, I'm good. Pete. enjoyed our chat for sure.
Pete Turner 52:12
You're 100%, right, I learned how to become a an excellent combat spy, because I got to hang around with a bunch of people that have done the job. And even if they were bad at it, I got to watch them be bad at it and go, okay, less of this, more of that for them. And then also for myself, teach myself the same lesson. And hearing, you know, I learned so much from just exchanging that conversation and my own brain hearing me teach somebody else. You know, I'm also like, doubling down what I understand about it. So I get that you get a lot out of it. And it must just be an incredibly fulfilling environment to work within.
Unknown Speaker 52:49
It certainly is it certainly is. It's been a pleasure so far. And there's some exciting, super exciting things in the hopper that we're shopping around right now. And networks want to turn this into a show of some sorts, we're just trying to figure out where our values align with that order to continue spreading the message. And not just, you know, kind of make it another show that's been done already in this.
Unknown Speaker 53:14
When I say realm, I mean, like the military flavor. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Pete Turner 53:18
Hey, so one of the things I often do with, you know, all operator crews is I always offer a chance to ask me some questions, since we shared a lot of field time not together. But we've been to a lot of same places, that kind of thing. Is there anything you want to ask me?
Unknown Speaker 53:31
I yeah, I was curious, you know, from our chats before and never really found out if you if you've been part of the, you know, modern Iraq, the Martin Gulf War, Kurdistan, anything like that you do any participation?
Pete Turner 53:44
Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. I've been in, I would say over half of the maybe over half, I think I could say over half of the provinces in Iraq, and I don't I don't know Kuwait and that, but for sure, I worked in I did some work in Kurdistan, that primarily I never talked about, but some very interesting time trying to understand not only threat because of course, there's always that that's important, but understanding the nation building aspect of what we are trying to accomplish. So yeah, I've talked to thousands of Rockies EZ these, all of them, everybody.
Unknown Speaker 54:20
Yeah, it's such a dynamic landscape there with a billion complex, it needs it. Yeah, one day. If I'm down in your maybe we'll get together and have a beer and talk offline.
Pete Turner 54:31
For for sure. Yeah, I'd love to do that. Hey, everybody. This is Jeff Depatie You guys gotta check out Special Forces experience. com. You can find them on Instagram and just these mindset things that we bring to you guys, we bring them because we're all out there fighting in the same kind of fight in whether you choose to find your walls to Jeff or to somebody else. Just know that there's a lot of this development stuff out there. That's not bullshit. It's These aren't coaches that are 22 years old. these are these are people that are professionals. they've they've hit the walls themselves. They've had to get around them in some way. And so I know you'll enjoy Jeff and, again, Jeff, thank you for coming on and come back anytime. Let's talk again.
jeff depatie 55:13
Alright, thanks, Pete.
