96 - John Ziegler part 2

6/27/2016

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FramingPaterno.com

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KDH

6/27/2016 12:20:58 pm

John, good interview. I'm sorry to hear that you are considering quitting the case, I hope you stick with it. Looking forward to hearing the interview with AF's aunt's. That's pretty amazing stuff that now his own family is speaking out. In fairness to Cleland, he is at least giving Jerry some hearings coming up in August. But I agree that I have doubts that he will get out of jail. Seems like everything is just rigged against him.

I think in these interviews you should get into each victim more and explain the process of how they became "victim's." They all denied abuse originally, and then after rounds of suggestive questioning and repressed memory therapy sessions they all started to make claims. You should get into RMT more cause that is really the root of a lot of this. RMT is known to make people relay false memories. These kids believe what they are saying when they say JS abused them cause they have been manipulated. I think that's important cause most people believe you are attacking the accusers, when really they are not the culprits here. It's the therapists, and investigators who manipulated these people that are at fault. They manipulated people who across the board had mental health issues, sketchy pasts, in and out of drug rehab and prison in some cases, in and out of psychiatric care, had people testify against them saying they were known to embellish stories (V1, V4) etc.

Elaine Steinbacher

6/27/2016 12:47:13 pm

POSITIVELY, VERY WELL SAID....KDH

Glenna Kerker

6/28/2016 11:06:32 am

Thank you John and Pete for the John Ziegler interview. If you want to become an instant pariah who is cast out of polite society all you have to do is try to tell the truth about this celebrated witch hunt. This is a case about prosecutorial wrongdoing by an Attorney General who lied through her teeth to the press that a rape had been witnessed and who believed that memories created in repressed memory therapy were valid enough to convict the accused. This is about police who lie to those they interview in order to secure accusations. This is about attorneys who create victims to enrich themselves and obstruct justice by hiding witnesses from subpoena. This is about a jury who took the position that there was no reason for the accusers to lie about sexual abuse and therefore, by default, the defendant must be guilty of the stories told at trial. The deliberate wrongdoing by the elected office of Attorney General is so extreme that most people don't believe it happened. We still trust authority to act ethically because most people are ethical. This is what is so shocking. This foursome of a whoring media, criminal civil attorneys, misguided therapists and zealous proscecuters did unwittingly conspire to commit murder of justice itself.

Jane Miller

6/29/2016 04:17:48 am

Glenna's comment above is spot on but we also must not forget the role that the PSU BOT under influence of John Surma played in rushing to judgment. They / he saw an opportunity to rid themselves and the university of Joe Paterno, an action which virtually guaranteed that Sandusky could not get a fair trial.

Glenna J Kerker

6/29/2016 02:58:57 pm

The actions taken by the BOT at the time were reprehensible. Ironically, Surma who was CEO during the time US Steel lost 89% of its value was demonstrating exactly the flaws in his character that led to the downfall his company. He had a lack of vision and was shortsighted. However this was after Linda Kelly started the fire. The BOT added the gasoline. Penn State, Paterno, the administrators as well as Sandusky were victims of those CEO's who needed to bolster their brand ( their name) at that time. The moral panic was so advanced by the time they fired Paterno that Sandusky would not have been able to get a fair trial under any circumstances, but surely Joe's firing absolutely guaranteed injustice.

EdH

6/30/2016 10:54:01 am

An underlying subject is the natural annomosity towards Paterno. When people first heard this some , I spoke to them many of them, who for the lack of better words were thrilled that Paterno finally did something wrong. Then if you debate the point with them they claim you are blinded by your love and devotion to him. Personally I thought he should have quit in 1995, and almost every year after. And if I say that they ignore it and tell me I'm crazy to thing this is not all true.

Glenna J Kerker

6/30/2016 12:40:02 pm

EdH...We all have this hope that other people aren't much better than we are. But sometimes other people really are better in some ways. To want to always cut the big guys down to size, knock the statues over, show the crowd that the god has feet of clay...well first have some proof that this is true. .....It's one thing to expose a phony hero...but there is no true evidence that Paterno was anything but the genuine article. How resentful of Paterno's success do you have to be to want to tear at his reputation like a crazed hyena? Even if he did hang onto his position as coach overlong?

96 - John Ziegler part 2

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