Bob Woodson - Race Grievance Mongers Denying America's Promise

Bob Woodson - Race Grievance Mongers Denying America's Promise - Bob Woodson grew up in Philadephia-it wasn't easy. His father passed away, he became estranged from his mother and dropped out of high school. Then he got to work, ultimately, his job was to guide others on the path he'd beaten, to develop self-confidence, self-reliance and success.

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Bob founded, what ultimately became known as the Woodson Center to help underserved neighborhoods address problems in their community. The latest endeavor of the Center and Bob is "1776" an assembly of voices gathered to uphold the authentic founding virtues and values while challenging those who provide less accurate portrayals of the promise of America.

Pete A Turner and Dr Wilfred Reilly host Bob on a conversation that gets to the root of the conversation between the NY Times backed 1619 narrative. Bob rejects the patronizing message that 1619 offers noting that, "White people don't determine our future."

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Pete Turner  0:00  
Everybody Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of your break it down show. We've got a fascinating guest today. His name is Bob Woodson. He founded the Woodson center or what would become the Woodson center about 40 years ago. He wants to be called the Genius Grant. Okay, I'm paying attention now you want something called the Genius Grant from the MacArthur center. Okay, well, let's let's figure this out. Bob Woodson, created a project in response to the 1619 project. This is timely, the 1619 project won the Pulitzer Prize today, and yet, it's full of errors. ​

Pete Turner  0:00  
Everybody Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of your break it down show. We've got a fascinating guest today. His name is Bob Woodson. He founded the Woodson center or what would become the Woodson center about 40 years ago. He wants to be called the Genius Grant. Okay, I'm paying attention now you want something called the Genius Grant from the MacArthur center. Okay, well, let's let's figure this out. Bob Woodson, created a project in response to the 1619 project. This is timely, the 1619 project won the Pulitzer Prize today, and yet, it's full of errors. Not only is it full of airs, a number of history professors came out against it for not being factual, Bob's even more critical. He says race grievance mongers are being allowed to make a profit center out of racial grievance. And then he holds them further to the fire, saying that their approach makes it as if black folk are incapable of self control and dependent upon whiteness. People as saviors think that's patronizing, and I reject that. Well we're going to do is start something called 1776 1776. unite's calm is where you go look this up, what's the center, you can go, Woodson center.org. You can learn all about that. The 1776 project takes academics who look at the actual founding of our country instead of this date of 1619, which is, at best a creative approach to establishing the founding of our country. And they say don't put 1776 it's founded on a dream on ideals on principles of freedom. And they would rather sort of celebrate that than to go the other route. I don't want to steal Bob's Thunder because he says it way better than I do. We also in this episode, have Dr. bill reilly who's become a regular on this show because he is thought provoking and he is doing really really big things. Look for more from him. He is constantly challenging norm And backing it up with data. I know you're going to love what will and what Bob bring to the show. It's really exciting to have these guys here. We'll be doing more with the 1776 project as they try to create opportunity out of the founding of our country instead of looking at this again, race monitoring. Okay. Let's get past that. Let's talk about the show real quick. Hey, we provide a lot of different subjects and topics we might talk about COVID-19 because that's relevant right now. We might talk about the the Pulitzer Prize winning 1619 project versus 1776. We might talk about Hall of Fame, MMA fighters, you just never know. Break it down show provides a little array of guests. With Gosh, a pedigree of success that I'll put up against any show. That's what you're listening to when you get into us. subscribe, rate review, and let me know who else you want to have on the show. Guys, I guarantee you, we'll put you on a good ride. It's been a little long winded here. Let me go ahead and just save this one last thing, save the brave, save the brave.org that is our charity. We back then. I'm up and every day there are veterans killing themselves. What we do is save the brave we try to make that stop. We try to get veterans involved in community with themselves, get them reaching back and investing in one another and hopefully stop this scourge. All right. Here comes the incredible Bob Woodson lions rock productions

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Pete Turner  3:34  
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Bob Woodson  3:39  
This is Bob Woodson and you're listening to the break it down show.

Pete Turner  3:45  
Yeah, Bob's here with me with Dr. Will Riley. We're going to be talking about the 1776 project at the Woodson center is just put together. And I guess I'll just turn it over to you. Well, why aren't we talking to Bob? What's it?

wil reilly  3:58  
Well, yeah, Bob. What's the As a guy who founded an initiative that I'm actually pretty happy, pretty proud to be a part of, which is 1776, which began it to some extent is a response from the black, scientific or business or just personal responsibility focused community to the 1619 project that was promoted by the New York Times. So I mean, Pete, as I understand you want it to talk to a number of the people that are involved with 1776 we've got a two lead Starks, as I understand is going to do one of these break it down shows I've obviously I've been on I've contacted Glenn Lowry, Carol Swain, Coleman Hughes, I can't speak for every one of those people, but I'd like to get a range of different 1776 perspectives out there and just kick it off from the top. I mean, Bob, what does what is 1776 mean to you? Or I guess a more a more detailed question. What would you say? Say are the differences between the 1776 initiatives vision and the vision of the 1619 project, which I think most middle class Americans have heard a lot more about lately. What is what is 1776?

Unknown Speaker  5:14  
Well, 1619 really is an attempt on a card of a group of elite, academic blacks, conspiring with the New York Times to rewrite American history to define America as racist from the beginning to say it was founded. The real birthday of America is not 7076 with the Declaration of Independence for the 1619 that's the time the date when the first slaves, black African slaves came into America and then they go on to really denigrate the history of America and say, because some of the founders own slaves therefore, the declaration of ended pendants that they wrote was therefore flawed. And because of the people writing it, perhaps we're not deserving of his principles. And and so what they have done in essence is said that America is forever flawed and therefore, is a racism and it's in its DNA and that black America is America's perpetual victim. And that all of the problems that we're witnessing today in black communities with a 70%, out of wedlock birth, we violence, black on black crime, we have 911, every six months in black America, that all of those problems are related to a legacy of slavery and discrimination. And the only answer to that problem is reparations. And what's so lethal about that? What it says to black America, particularly low income blacks is that you are incapable of self control. And therefore, your destiny is determined by what white people will do for you and with you, because you've got no agency yourself. And that is a lethal weapon to give people an exemption from personal responsibility to say, you are exempt. If you're killing one another, if you're if you're destroying yourself, it is not your fault. And it's really patronizing and really an expression of white supremacy to say to black people, that your destiny is determined by white people who we acknowledge that does not like you. And so that's what's very dangerous. So what we're offering is an alternative narrative is to really challenge the assumptions there with facts

Pete Turner  7:49  
in history. In other words, when whites were at their worst during slavery and discrimination, blacks are at their best that we maintain solid two parent households. Even during slavery, and 400 years following slavery, black Americans did not, you know, succumb to oppression? Is Is it possible that we're looking at this from a different perspective that maybe this 1619 folks aren't looking at it? Dr. Riley, I know that you've talked a lot about this part. But there's a lot of racial groups that come here to this standard states and do fantastically well. There's people that bet their entire life they come here with How many times have heard the story of my father came here with some numbers less than $5 in their pocket, and they somehow made it That does not sound like a big country. To me, that sounds like a unique opportunity. People are getting on flotillas of garbage to come here from places like Cuba, they're willing to risk their lives in a shipping container coming here from a place like China. These things happen all the time. Why? Why is it Why are we doing such a poor job with the black community I guess is my question to you. Dr. Bolli?

wil reilly  9:00  
Well I think there are a couple things there. Um, so one of the things I say in my writing is that the success of black immigrants is a complete counter not just to theories that racism is everywhere in the modern USA but also to quote unquote all right theories of genetic supremacy and that sort of thing. If you look at really the 18 or 20 most successful groups in the USA, I mean, whites certainly do quite well and I'm an anti racist. I have no problem with that. But as I as I recall, number one in terms of household income is Indian Americans, mostly dark skinned, quote unquote droppings from the southern part of the Indian subcontinent. Nigerians are in the top three or four, that's obviously a purely black group. Most black Americans have ancestors that actually came from that region of West Africa. That's where the slaves were sold from Filipino Americans, Japanese Americans, West Indians were also black. So it seems to me that there's no real way to argue that the problems of black Americans are due, primarily, at least or entirely to racism, when you've got these black immigrant groups, Jamaicans in the same city, they're doing better than black and white people. There's something else there. And I think Bob would identify that as cultural as character based even as religious and a lot of cases. And I don't, I don't think I disagree with that. One of the things that's interesting here coming from kind of that center right perspective, on my end, is that a lot of the problems in the black community don't date back to slavery. If you look at the work of Walter Williams, I mean, right leading economist, he points out over and over and over again, that in 1938, for example, the black illegitimacy rate was 10% 11%, whites were doing even better. And again, I don't have a problem with that get him good for both groups. It was 4%, I believe for Caucasians, but that transition, so maybe that gap between 10 and five is due to racial prejudice, but the increase of 1,000% From 10, or 11% to 70 plus percent over the past 40 years, that has nothing to do with historical racism, it logically can't, which I guess segues into my next question. I mean, for you, Bob, um, what do you think cause these issues in the black community, I mean, this may be a bit of a bit of a softball, but if it wasn't slavery that's responsible for this, this recent upsurge in crime that we saw in you know, the pre Giuliani, 80s and 90s. This upsurge in illegitimacy drug abuse that that applies to whites as well. What caused it?

Bob Woodson  11:35  
Well, first of all, pathology was never associated with poverty. Being poverty did not mean that you were going to rob somebody or steal from other people. If you look at the history of black America, as we did with a series of essays at the end of when they were they look at the records of six plantations. What was the family composition? Oh, Slaves when they left slavery 70% had a man and a woman raising children. We were only 25% of blacks who released them slavery free from slavery was literate. In less than 40 years, that number rose to 75%. There were 20 slaves, who people who were born into slavery who died millionaires. Right And so, so that it we always had an attitude of moral competence in the 1930s and 1940. When the unemployment rate during the Depression was 40% for whites, I mean, 30% for whites, it was 45%. for blacks, we had the highest marriage rate of any group in America. Elderly people could walk safely in their neighborhoods without being fearful of being mugged by their grandchildren. And this this cultural cohesion created by our Christian values, the sanctity of two parent households was what helped us to weather the storm of racism and discrimination. Even our incarceration rates up until 1960 was only about 25 to 30%. And as you say, in Ohio, people say well, because of racism and Jim Crow and redlining, we couldn't achieve. In Ohio in the Brownsville section of Chicago, you're from Chicago. In 1929, there was 731. On black businesses. We have 100 million in real estate assets. And the and the out of wedlock birth was less than 10%. And that was considered a scandal and I could take you from city after city to demonstrate that we in our response to discrimination wasn't to wallow in victimhood, but it was to engage in enterprise and build our own railroad and Baltimore, Maryland in 1868, when 1000 blacks were fired from the docks, we successfully operated a railroad, the Chesapeake maintained dry dock and railroad company for 18 years from Maine to Baltimore. Same with hotels, the wall Haji in Atlanta, St. Teresa in New York, St. Charles, and Chicago, I could go on and on and on. So we had a rich heritage. We didn't destroy ourselves with black on black crime. It took the poverty programs, following the civil rights movement that really caused us to fall off the cliff morally and spiritually and descend into this quagmire that we're in now. It's only about 50 or 60 years old. It has nothing to do with slavery or discrimination. It has to do with corrupt social policies that injured poor blacks with a helping hand.

Pete Turner  14:57  
So then my question back is why Did it target blacks disproportionately then say other groups?

Bob Woodson  15:04  
It didn't really target what happened. If you go read Siegel's book, Fred Siegel's book is called America, America of the future. What's happened here. And in that book, he carefully talks about how in the 60s it was considered a welfare being on welfare was a stereotype you didn't in the black community, you know, but nobody wanted to be on welfare. There were two social scientists a pivot and pivot and cloud at the University of Columbia University School of Social Work. And they so socialists, they said, Well, if we can separate work from income, and then and then flood the system with welfare, welfare recipients, what we can do is demonstrate the moral incentives consistency of capitalism. And so when the watts riots occur, they said all black to build is a perfect group. And so what they did was they began to recruit people into welfare, but the federal government helped and by opening offices and recruiting people into the welfare system, but in order to overcome the stereotype, they had to redefine the stigma D stigmatize it. So they call that notch up. They go from social insurance to reparations, and the nuclear family was redefined as being Eurocentric and therefore racist. The women's movements have got behind it, because they want they wanted to make the father redundant, the Black Power movement got behind it. So you have a combination of social forces, government policies that encourage people to come on welfare. So within four years, millions of blacks flooded into the welfare system in major cities at a time when the unemployment rate for black men in New York was just 4%. And what the cloud and pivot and the socialist scientists predicted became true. You saw it out of wedlock birth school dropout and drug addiction, crime, fatherless home. So that's the cause of it.

wil reilly  17:24  
One. One comment I'd add here, I think one of the one of the only ways in which race played into this is probably that black people were more vulnerable to the appeal of these programs in white, because due to past conflict with whites due to past oppression, we were at least to some extent, a poorer community. But I do think that as this pitch continued over the years, we're now seeing a lot of these problems move well beyond the black community. One of the big ones for me as a man frankly is illegitimacy fatherlessness. And that is now an American national problem where the legitimacy rate, if I recall this correctly, is 35 to 36%. for whites, it's more than 50%. I know for all Hispanics, including white Hispanics, it's over 60%. for Native Americans, it's a bit over 70% for African Americans. So we might have been the first group that was targeted. We were in the big cities, we tended to be working class rather than upper middle class socialists have always found the black community appealing. Also, it's the idea that it's the American proletariat. But a lot of this stuff once it got started, didn't stop with the black community. I don't have my state models in front of you. But I'd be very curious about what the welfare use rate. If you're talking about food stamps, section eight, what used to be called afdc. Wic, what that is across all communities, because there's been a staggering staggering upsurge in that since the 1960s, and 70s. I mean, being on welfare used to make you even when I was a kid, to some extent the object of ridicule, and there have been Decades of individuals consciously attempting to change that and it's worked.

Bob Woodson  19:05  
But you know, I want to make this point to detractors. Well, you're saying racism doesn't exist, no racism does exist. It is a problem, but not the central problem. An example that I did If White people were to disappear tomorrow and go to Europe and Canada, how would it affect the out of wedlock births? How would it affect the black on black crime? How would it affect the way we are abusing ourselves with our diet? And so it is important to make that point that we're not discounting that racism has nothing to do but it is a problem but it is not the most important problem is that black America is suffering from an enemy that was is within and 1619 these black elite scholars a blow my mind because you have a guy named Robert smalls, who was born in a slave in 1839, and some to South Carolina, and he was on a supply ship and he commandeered the ship and put on a hat and came through five Garrison's and then turn the ship over to the union Navy. And the Congress gave him a 1500 dollar reward, and made him an officer in the Navy and the cause President Lincoln to allow blacks to fight in the Civil War. Well, he but after the war, he became a successful businessman and a member of congress during Reconstruction. He went back and purchase a plantation on which he was a slave, and took in the children of the slave owner that had become destitute. So here is an act of radical grace on the part of somebody and yet they are blacks with PhDs making six figure incomes angrier than Robert Smalls was and he was a slave.

Pete Turner  20:59  
Let's go back to those elite scholars, if they're going to put this out in the New York Times is going to, you know, back it up. Why get so many facts actual facts wrong afterwards?

Bob Woodson  21:14  
Yeah afterwards and not just, you know, not this European. I mean, first of all, slavery didn't end the British Empire 250 years after that. I mean, there are slaves around so for them to claim that somehow the civil war that the war for independence was fought to free slavery against slavery. Defending slavery is not true since the British Empire maintain slaves for 50 years after, but but they're not interested in facts. What they're what they have is it's indoctrination. That's why when those six, five or six historians presented a rebuttal to the New York Times, Nicole Hannah Jones dismissed them as being Wait. That's why it is important for our 1776 effort to be black lead, been participating that welcome all, because these are some successful black folks standing up and said You do not speak for us.

wil reilly  22:15  
One thing that I would chip in there I mean, Pete, in terms of your question, how could they have gotten some so many things wrong? First of all, I think Bob did a great overview of some of them. I mean, a 1619 flatly claim that the US Revolutionary War was fought to preserve slavery. That figure is absolutely correct. Slavery didn't end really anywhere in the world for 4050 years, 52 years after the Revolutionary War. It's worth noting that all of the great black kingdoms of Africa, Ghana, Songhai, Mali had slaves the Arab states had slaves, Russia, chattel serfdom, the euros had slave slavery was a universal human institution. So that's ignored, but just a number of other things. I mean, they claim that slavery was responsible in large part for the wealth of the United States. If you actually look at analyses in economic or historical journals, I mean slavery made the south into a feudal backwater. They were doing the sort of medieval agriculture with pines that you've captured in the war pulling plows that much of the world was abandoning specifically by that point. plantation owners. I'm sure it felt like powerful Bossman but I mean, if you look at the one of the reasons the South lost the Civil War was that in 1860, something like 90% of the manufacturing capacity, the physical plant in the USA was located in the north. So I mean, that is factually false. At one point, they say that 12.5 million Africans were taken from Africa during the Middle Passage slave trade, the Atlantic slave trade. What they ignore is the fact that only about 400,000 came to the USA. Most of the rest were sold to other nations like Brazil, many of which would be in our terms minority headed So anyway, blah, blah, blah, but yes, they get a lot things wrong. I think that a big part of that is that social justice scholarship just isn't that good. This is kind of my bias as an academic. But I mean to make these claims that the USA one of the greatest countries in history is uniquely evil, or whites have a bloodier history than say people from Ashanti or Mongolia, or to say a lot of things like this, you have to ignore a huge amount of the truth. You keep seeing these, we call them so called hoaxes in academia. I mean, as someone I follow on Twitter, Helen pluck rose and a couple of buddies sent a series of ridiculous papers into the top journals in social science, and they were almost all accepted. Oh, one of them was just a chapter of mine comp from a Hitler that was presented as a guide to ideal government. One of them was a paper on quote unquote fat bodybuilding, arguing that no matter how out of shape you are, you should be allowed to compete in competitions like the Olympics are the funniest one was an examination of gender roles at dog parks. Where they pretended to have done an analysis of whether male dogs are more likely to hump your leg. And they tried to link this to quote unquote, rape culture. So a lot of this stuff is just long winded answer to your gentleman's intelligent comments. But a lot of this stuff is just garbage. There's not really when you look at claims about things like white fragility, there's never a supporting basis of evidence. I've never seen a paper that shows that whites get angry or if you call them racist, and idiots then say blacks would if you called us criminals or something like that it doesn't exist. In reality, it exists just to support a narrative very often,

Unknown Speaker  25:37  
only the papers are going from an educator, that somehow because of the racist racism, that and experiments that were done on slaves, that physicians today, administer painkillers, at a different level two blacks, they do whites because blacks are more resistant to pain. And that's supposed to have its origins and studies. And she she says, but there were two studies, no one say which studies. I mean, it's so ridiculous of what they're doing. And the very fact that the New York Times random houses going to be doing some books. And and there are other companies that are stepped that Pulitzer Institute is making study guides and they are going to target they have targeted 3000 schools, but where they're underperforming black kids, and what kind of message Are we going to be sending in September to those kids, we're going to say to a 10 year old, that you live in a country that that that that is your enemy, and that racism is in the DNA of the country, and therefore you stand no test, you have little control over your future. And then if that child is going to be bombarded with that kind of dogma for eight years, and then America is going to say to this 18 year old, we need you to defend us. Why would a child want to defend a country that he's been raised to hate?

wil reilly  27:14  
or become a

Unknown Speaker  27:15  
member of law enforcement right now, because people on the left have denigrated law enforcement in America. Every time you hear about a police officer shooting a white child, or young person, and it's only a limited time that it happened, it becomes front page news. And as a consequence, we have a great police nullification when the police are reluctant to engage aggressively in reducing crime. And in St. Louis and last summer, you have 14 Kids below the age of 14, who were murdered and only one person arrested and 60% of police departments are Are cannot recruit there's a 62% reduction and recruits going to become police officers. So this is not an isolated issue. This is a matter of the health of this nation is at risk if we allow the race grievance mongers to create profit centers out of racial grievance. And that's what they're doing. They're creating profit centers out of racial grievance. It's, uh,

Pete Turner  28:28  
it's interesting, you know, the United States was, I reject the whole racism is in our DNA because the country founded on an idea, you know, life liberty, pursuit of happiness, pursuit of happiness hasn't been a part of any, any kind of founding document. We've got three basic forms of freedom, you know, personal, political and national freedom, protected by our three big documents, you know, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. That doesn't sound it's a place It's a well of great people coming here and saying sliding their chips across the table and saying, again, I'll bet my outwork my problems, right. I mean, that's, I don't know of another country, that's possible. And then we're also one of the very few countries in the world. And not the only one, but very few where if you call the police, you have a reasonable expectation that they will not only show up, but they will put themselves between harm and you. And that is, fellas that is exceptionally rare in the world to know that that's coming, the person doesn't know you, and they will protect you. So I think that's our DNA, much more so than any kind of racist Of course, we have racial problems. That's one of the problems of diversity, right? We have all these different people coming in. It's hard to get us all to go in the same direction. We can all point that Denmark but Denmark is very homogenous when it comes to its racial makeup and ethnicity.

Unknown Speaker  29:54  
But not only that, under communism, it's against the law to help your neighbor Because that's the responsibility of the state. And under socialism, I remember I was a guest for about a week and in Oslo, Norway some years ago, where officials wanted to learn about voluntourism because it was virtually unknown in those sources countries because you assumed if a neighbor had a problem the government has a cure for it. But in America deepen the DNA of America is America just spontaneously responding, as you saw in Katrina? What I love to use the Cajun Navy, this group of Cajun New Orleans a boaters who went as a disaster FEMA is not the first group on the scene. It's Navy these are volunteers who come out risked their lives to pluck people off of rooftops and and provide comfort for them and it is spreading and same with any disaster. That that's cultural norms in America is to respond to a need. I saw a cop yesterday on his knees on the highway changing a tire for a woman and it just said, Boy, there's an example of America at work at its

Pete Turner  31:16  
finest. We also have a couple of hospital ships in our in our war like Navy that will go anywhere and provide comfort and mercy and help. You know, not many countries have that capacity and just push it forward, like, hey, well, we'll desalinate water for you for as long as we can to help out. That is not a racial DNA thing that is a nation of folks that Yeah, they do want to help each other.

Bob Woodson  31:40  
Yeah, I mean, another you name it you name another country on the face of the earth that has a massive patient proclamation that for the war to end slavery. I'd like to name one other that did that. We are the only ones who did that.

Pete Turner  31:56  
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Bob Woodson  32:19  
We are the only ones who did that.

wil reilly  32:21  
So, I mean, there's a lot in American DNA. I mean, I think that the I don't want to be insensitive with this. But one of the things I would say is that racism was almost ancillary to or almost a sideline of the American founding. And what I mean by that is that when the US when almost all nations in the world were racist in the technical sense, when slavery was legal, and when most traditions involved hostility to outsiders, the same thing was true of the United States. So I mean, when slavery was legal, the United States had slaves when there were conflicts between the great human populations And when blacks and whites and natives encountered each other, the USA participated in those fights. But that by definition is not what made America unique because everybody did that. Slavery was a global universal. What made America unique was that we were the first large modern democracy. Really? I mean, if you're talking to a group of students about what makes America unique, we're the first democracy it's the first line in a lot of history books. I hope it still is. We're also the destination democracy we welcome immigrants were the capitalist democracy. But this is part of the kind of the lexicon you would teach people. I mean, what made us unique was the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence down the road, the Emancipation Proclamation, because those were the things that we did that nobody else did. And there are also some negative things in our DNA. I don't even know if this is negative I'm a gun owner fact train people to use weapon but I mean, we have one of the higher firearm ownership is a good thing. But we also have one of the higher crime rates in the civilized world. They're negative, unique Features of American life. But racism is not a in the DNA unique feature of American life by definition, because everyone is capable of racism. He does. You've mentioned I mean, racism is a characteristic of large, diverse society. Diversity has a lot of advantages. But I mean, you have to train people to get a lot of the Romans had the idea. Everyone has to look up at the eagle and smile, you need a shared civic identity, and then diversity becomes a positive. But yeah, racism itself is not unique to America. It's not something invented by America. It's not what makes America stand out from France or South Africa or 100 other countries where blacks and whites sometimes fight. A very quick final comment on this. One of the other things you notice with the political left is the redefinition of almost everything as racism. So I mean, Bob mentioned this idea that it is racist that doctors will prescribe fewer painkillers to African Americans. And it's worth looking at that in perspective. I mean, One of the biggest five problems in the country is the opioid epidemic, which kills about 100,000 people almost entirely poor whites on an annual basis. So if you're staying doctors perceive black people as brave athletic warriors, and they don't give us poison as much. That's racism, you have to ask, what's the solution to that? Do you want more poison in the black community? You see these kind of redefinitions all the time perceiving Asian Americans as smart or black Americans as athletic, that's racism. And a cynic might say that it's essential for the left to do this because as actual racism vanishes, you need to replace it with something to continue the programs that are based around racism.

Bob Woodson  35:43  
Well, the other racism is also used by by the the planter class the plantation owners to keep poor whites in place to because they didn't have the franchise they couldn't vote. property owners could vote. They didn't have much education day, no one writes about what happened to poor whites in the south, there was an attempt to organize poor whites against slavery, because they are the ones who had most to lose from it. But what their planters did was give them race. As an antidote to that. The way a lot of on the left, try to anesthetize low income blacks in these urban centers, by using race, so that they won't have to ask them ask the question, why, if racism were the problem, then why are black children failing in school systems, social service systems run by their own people? Well, this gets into the Why are black men being Miss educated by institutions, by their own people, but to prevent that kind of question being raised, we can always say, well, it's institutional racism. So why people are armed with a remote control device that causes professional backs to miss educate their children and institutions run by them. If we can just get hold of that, that that device they have done, our problems will be solved.

wil reilly  37:15  
Yeah, I think that one of my advantages, actually bluntly was growing up in the hood. I mean, my mom was from an upper class family, but she was actually an inner city school teacher, which I respect the hell out of. So I was born on the south side of Chicago. I grew up on the east side of nearby Aurora, which at the time was the murder capital of the country. And I was, you know, I wasn't a hood guy. I was an athlete, but I was a working class kid. I was focused on things like helping the family earn money. You know how my date was going to go that Friday sports, what I make it down state, that kind of thing. And I mean, it wasn't until I got to college. I've heard a lot of people say this, but I heard people way richer than me that I would have thought of as preppy, rich kids who just happened to be black from the next city over tell me how oppressed they were. So I think coming from outside that perspective and having known a lot of poor white and Hispanic kids in the hood in the Midwest, by the way, I just skipped over a great deal of this and so it sounds like fantasy and excuse making to me. But yeah, the bob did a good summary this I mean the way this would be explained as institutional racism, all black people in the USA have deeply learned to hate ourselves because of the presence of white supremacy in the background to such an unrelenting extent. So when black kids in a powerful black city, which say Atlanta makes well above the national average income are still underperforming their poor white classmates despite being all taught by blacks. That's because black people have been taught to hate one another. The argument if you're debating a hard leftist on this, the argument will never move away from racism. Like we're gonna swing to COVID. At some point, if you look at any of the papers on COVID-19 co-morbidities what's going to make you die of a serious flu like illness? Number one is being very elderly. Number two is being overweight. Wait as much so on down the line nothing to do with race, blacks are no more likely just to put it in the you know, steel man framework no more likely to die than white swans here just for these things, but the argument will be made well the fact that black people are obese doesn't just mean that we have a fair amount of good food to eat now it is racism. White feed us an unhealthy body image and rap videos, there are fewer stores in our neighborhood. So someone that really advocates This is never going to move away from the racism framework, at least in debates I've had official and unofficial it's a weirdest thing.

Bob Woodson  39:33  
So what we what we want to do and 1776 rather than engage in debate with the people on the other side, we want to show an inspirational and an aspirational alternative because people are motivated to improve their lives when you give them victory. And so what we're doing through our essays is we want to be able to hand schoolchildren, not a curriculum that denigrates the country and talks about its failures. America's birth defect was slavery but who wants to be defined by a birth defect? But we should be supporting America's Promise not a defect. I asked groups all the time when I speak. How many of you want to be defined by the worst thing you ever did when you were a youngster? None of us do. And you know, I happen to be a Christian. And if if every time that we read about the Apostle Paul, someone said, Yeah, but you used to be saw that and so I just think redemption is what is the definition of this country transformation and redemption, that we are a country of second chances. And so that's what 6070 7076 we're going to be be presenting examples of people who were born in slavery who died millionaires, we want to explain to our young people how The education gap in the south between 1920 and 1940. It was eighth grade for whites and fifth grade for blacks. And within less than 20 years that gap was closed within six months, because a Jewish philanthropists Julius Rosenwald partnered with Booker T. Washington, and they put up $4.8 million in the black community to sell selling chicken dinners and whatnot. They also raised 4.8 million and built 5000 Rosenwald schools in the rural south and and where we were operating on budgets that were half of the money spent on white schools, yet we close the education gap between 1920 and 1940. From within three years to six months if we did that, then in the midst of slavery and discrimination and Jim Crow, why can't we close the gap today? cities that are run by black educators. So but you say 617 1619 does not permit those kind of questions to be raised. 1776 provides answers to those questions. So we want people to be inspired

Pete Turner  42:22  
when we look at these opportunities to be inspired, you know, the 1619 project. Okay, great. Well put them aside. Let's talk a little bit more about the 1776 side of it, then. Is it focused just on black versus white? Not to get trapped into that?

Unknown Speaker  42:37  
No, we there are two goals that we have. One is to D racialized race, to D racialized race, and also to D desegregate poverty, the 10 lowest performing poorest counties in America or white and Native American, they're not even black. So that's why we're having Inviting JD Vance, who wrote hillbilly elegy, who grew up in Middletown, Ohio. One of our other essays is Clarence Paige who is black award winning a Pulitzer winning journalist. He wrote an essay. He's also from Middleton, Ohio. And so we're going to have an event this summer that will bring JD watts and class page together, when we'll be filling the auditorium with blue collar and working class blacks and whites. And we will be talking about putting race aside and dealing with poverty. And so we have to demonstrate in our work, that we we are clear that the problem faced in America, we need to put race aside this is preventing us from getting at poverty. So again, we have white presenters essayist, we have white grassroots leaders who are part of our coalition So we have a combination of not just scholars like willed and others, but community activists that are people. Some of them are ex offenders. Some of them are ex drug addicts, who through God's grace, they have been redeemed, and they are witnesses that transformation and redemption are possible. So they are the ones actually implementing the values that our founders articulated in the Declaration of Independence. So in order for people to be recruited to America's finest ideals, it's not enough to give them information, but they must see demonstrated in their lives that these values can, can produce a superior life and a restored community. So that's what 1776 is going to be presenting through video through presentation, through conferencing. We want to teach kids Look on the upside of America not its downside.

Pete Turner  45:03  
I'll give you an example of the upside with a back my Captain Morgan modeling days, you'll be represented a lot of brands and one of them was ciroc vodka and it was dead in the water they had launched, it was going nowhere fast. Sean Combs put his name behind it and all the sudden it was a leading brand in the vodka industry just like that an entrepreneur came in and fix the problem.

Unknown Speaker  45:25  
Yes, it's amazing, you see, but right now, the reason I say that the problem is not economical. Racial, its cultural is a moral and spiritual freefall that is consuming people from all over the very fact that drug addiction and opiate deaths are occurring in places like New Hampshire, Northern Virginia, Plano, Texas in areas you have so many these young white entertainers committing suicide or overdosing on drugs. That means that there is a moral and spiritual emptiness In a part of America that success and celebrity does not satisfy. And so what we're saying in 1719, I mean 1776 is that that mother in Silicon Valley that were Silicon Valley has about 95% of both households or households have a man or woman raising children, where the average education is a master's degree for the median income about 180,000. In that affluent community. The the suicide rate among teenagers is six times the national average. So obviously, six material success is not enough to fill that emptiness. So that mother, who lost a 17 year old daughter to suicide in Silicon Valley has more in common with a black mother who lost her daughter her 17 year old daughter to homicide in the inner city. But, but they have more in common than they do. And there are differences but we're never going to, to answer. The question is how do we fill that emptiness that's causing some people to take our life and others to take their own life? There are different sides of the same coin. But if we were able to put race aside, maybe we can bring that Silicon Valley mom together with the moms in the inner city, and let's try to find out what is causing these young people to experience such as feeling of emptiness, a lack of content, a lack of meaning in their life. So that's a greater challenge that we have, but we're not going to be able to, to answer those questions. If we are divided by race, suicide rates are up 30% since 1999, per the CDC,

wil reilly  47:54  
you and this all let the spiritual element can be discussed. But I think this is something that a lot of political scientists, a lot of people on the military side, a lot of people have begun to notice. I don't know if you guys have read Bowling Alone, but there's a pretty famous that both both of you gentlemen Yeah, famous book obviously came out past 20 years that pointed out that all of the things that used to give glue to the average in particular man's life have faded to a large extent. I mean, the percentage of people playing varsity sports and down 50% people are scared about the kiddos getting hurt percentage of people to participate in the military, which used to be mandatory for four years. That's down 95%. Pete, my correct this, but as you go on in your life, what's the percentage of people that are getting married that are in a happy traditional marriage? What's the percentage of people that even belong to the local bowling league? This is a national problem. It's not a black or white problem, but it's a problem of the traditional bonds and initiations that made adult life going away. And I will throw spirituality in here what percent of people belong to a church and go regularly But a number of other things like I play regular competitive basketball, I mean, most people been taking a break during the, you know, disease crisis going on. I have, of course, but I mean, like even that is a pretty selected percentage of people. So this issue of where does meaning come from, that's a national problem that doesn't have anything to do with being white or black. As you guys said, the one difference is that we noticed that for whatever reason, Caucasians are more likely to kill themselves, and African Americans are more likely to kill other young black people. But both those figures are very high, I mean, suicides and that's a 79% Caucasian problem, by the way, those are up over 45,000 a year, which is incredible. Um, one of the major causes of death for young men now is killing yourself specifically shooting yourself in the head. So that is a obviously negative, fixable characteristic of our society. And again, the broader idea. So a lot of these are national problems that don't have anything to do with race that don't even necessarily have a lot to do with class. But where you do see class, come in isn't a lot of the things that are seen as race issues, in fact have to do with broad economic trends. So there are things that don't affect all Americans, but affect people like my class on illegal immigration is a problem that has a lot of class based effects in the USA. So as automation jobs are vanishing. And the interesting thing seems to be poor whites have moved further, right. As a reaction to this. That's a lot of President Trump's base, hoard. Blacks and White City kids seem to have moved further left. And that's a lot of Bernie's base, for example. So you again, get into something you've seen since the old plantation owners, which is that that unified working class isn't unified. It's broken into two camps at the far extremes. And maybe that's how the people with money

Pete Turner  50:44  
like it, there's also an effect where I'm being bulldozed towards the right. I'm not, you know, don't assign me a political bent or lean, but no matter what I do, I get jammed over this way. And I'm like, Hey, hold on, get your hands off of my pillow. You know, so we're desperate to kind of divide ourselves. It seems like what are your thoughts on that? Well?

wil reilly  51:06  
Well, I mean, for me specifically, I actually I agree with the first statement, I'm, I'm conservative in the sense that I have money and weapons. I mean, I've always thought of myself as kind of business guy to have a jacket on a fair amount of time. I'm not a radical. But if you asked me my honest thoughts on something like gay relationships, I mean, I really could care less. So that that's been my basis, kind of a business center right perspective. But coming from that perspective, I prefer almost any damn thing to communism. So I often do find myself if you see that if you see the options are Bill Clinton and newt gingrich. We can look at policy a little bit. If you see that the options are AOC and Trump, I'm probably going to end up voting for the person that's not AOC. I mean, I have some have some ethical issues with Mr. Trump, President Trump, but I mean, that's the way most Americans They're going to go, I'd say. So I do think you see this. I think what you see is that the extreme social justice left, I think this is a problem that begins on the left. Even the alt right is a backlash to this, the extreme social justice left has begun defining almost everyone that is beyond conventional socialism as a Nazi. So I mean, you see these crazy articles like Bill Maher, the troublesome right wing uncle, Oh, my God. And Bill Maher is what I would think of as a classical liberal up there up there on stage making jokes about smoking pot and dating models. I mean, he found a well known atheist movie called religious, but he too is on the right. And I think that as the right gets defined as anyone but Bernie and AOC I think more people are going to say, Yeah, I might vote for Trump. I mean, I prefer him to a communist. Um, again, I don't use this kind of polarization is especially helpful. It's probably not ideal if the two options that you see on social media very often are social Justice in the alt right, but there it is very often right now and again, to kind of segue back to mainstream. I do think movement like 1776 can help correct a lot of that. These very, very basic points. We're all Americans class matters more than race. I think people respond to that.

Bob Woodson  53:15  
Well, I you know, I define my political philosophy as radical pragmatism. I just like stopped at works. Yeah. And also I look at relationships. Where I come down, is I look at what is your strategic interest, and whether or not your strategic interest is compatible with my strategic interest. JOHN McKnight, one of the godfathers of the self help movement, an old mentor of mine, john said he was building a cabin in Wisconsin, and his electrician was a drunk, and his plumber had one late but the value of this to men to him was in their skill. But if I were a person running an organization to help the handicapped, my investment I would only interested in their disability because I profit from their disability, as opposed to someone who needs their skill. And so it doesn't matter how compassionate that person is who's running a disabilities organization, they need you to be dependent on that. And the very fact that this is an uncomfortable statistic, two out of 10 whites with college education works for government, six out of 10 lakhs with education works for government. So unfortunately, our professional middle class work in a sector of our society where they need low income, just a disabled or dependent people to survive. And that's a situation that I know Here disgust is so that we've got to look at what is the strategic interest? If you are an employer and you have, you need 200 people to show up on time and work and you're going to pay $15 an hour, and I'm running a program for people who need jobs. You and I have a basis of a strategic relationship. I don't care if you're racist.

Pete Turner  55:27  
I don't care if you only got one leg, can you do the damn job?

Unknown Speaker  55:31  
I don't care. Yeah. And so that's what we are to be talking about what our strategic relationships and whether or not we have some, some basis upon which

wil reilly  55:42  
there is compatibility. That's another logic versus moral point that you get into when you get into politics. What you see with social justice, and a lot of the black left is the attempt to label certain things kind of off the charts. As in you can't interact with this person because he's done. This thing, and it's evil and racism is probably the classic example of this. You see this all the time with Trump, for example, where the argument that blacks shouldn't vote for Trump is almost entirely couched in terms of things he said or allegedly said. So someone will say, Well, this is a man that called Hispanics animals, although that's not quite accurate as a reference, Ms. 13. Or this is a guy who criticized and Tifa fighters as much as neo nazi. How could you vote for a scumbag like that and left out of these analysis out of these analyses is any question of who would economically be better for the black community or for other communities? I mean, under the Trump administration, until quite recently, African American unemployment was at its all time low, lower than it had been while we're keeping records. So I think that pragmatic point of it would make more sense to ally with someone who you might not like who you might think is a drunk or a a womanizer or even a bigot, but who's going to help you achieve your goals and live your life as an adult man than it would to ally with someone who says pleasant things but treats you like a child? That's something that's been almost lost in quote unquote canceled culture discards. People can say the most obviously true things but then be shut out by the mass media for being rude. So again, this is this is one of several points that are worth bringing to the light that there are interests you have in life other than not being offended. In fact, anyone who's been paid for you in the military serious business Bob community organization, who gives a damn if someone offends you. The question is whether you can work with that person to get things done, but we're moving more and more and more away from that. 

Bob Woodson  57:41  
And so, I take the position that even a bigot isn't my worst enemy.

wil reilly  57:48  
Who is your worst enemy? a traitor is

Unknown Speaker  57:51  
my Kwame Kirkpatrick, the former mayor of Detroit who's now serving over 18 years in prison, who turned to city admin Facing into a cash cow and took the pension stole some of the pension funds of thousands of black workers. He in 20 of his frat brothers and others are serving time for raping that city. To me, he is much worse. He's a traitor. He's much worse than any bigot. And so I say that a trader is boring, but someone can be racist and right.

wil reilly  58:27  
Except about the racism, presumably. But I said except about the racism.

Unknown Speaker  58:33  
I'm talking about this, like a friend of mine had his house broken into we had this debate. And I said that if some racist was a witness and knew who stole it, would you not want his testimony in court? And if he was going to testify, yeah, I saw the person who did it and I know, would you discount? Oh, no, he's racist. So I don't want him to testify on my behalf in court. I mean, we got to be practical about these things. But again, I think people need to think about that what is worst, someone who is a model trader, someone who looks like you and and gave you your vote, you gave them their boat with the promise that they would serve you and they stood use that to serve themselves to your disadvantage. To me they are a trader and traders are worse than Vegas

Pete Turner  59:22  
was the lady that founded the 1619 project, Nicole Hannah Jones, what is her response been? Has she been a collaborator? Has she seen as you guys like, advancing this narrative or how What's her response been? See we teed it up?

wil reilly  59:38  
Yeah, but she's been I don't know about you. Well, but I haven't heard anything from that side.

Bob Woodson  59:43  
Well, I mean, what they said to white history, oh, white man. That's all. They just counted them. But they have responded to us have they?

wil reilly  59:54  
You can see. You can see Hannah Jones's response on Twitter. I think it was Coleman Hughes that reached out to her As you know, Coleman he's a young man finishing up undergrad studies very polite young gentlemen. He contacted Nicole Hannah Jones and said you know I'm working with Bob Woodson will Riley Glenn Lowry? I mean these these legendary I wouldn't describe myself as this but you know, these well known individuals thinkers Would you be interested in something like a debate and Nicole Hannah Jones responded by posting a picture of herself with a gold grill in um, and posted on Twitter the comment this is my response to the 1776 project.

Bob Woodson  1:00:31  
And I don't even know what it meant

wil reilly  1:00:34  
either. It was just a sort of a it was an insult like these are you know, I'm from the street. These are some awful times it's nothing like the next for the person that commented first under it was like she grilling on y'all. And this this whole thing got pretty ridiculous. I was tagged it like 15 or 20 times. I actually have a red white and blue fanged grill from my days as the owner of a nightlife company. So I posted a picture With that, it was like a serious debate goes on. But in terms of the response to Coleman's reach out, um, you know, the response to some things Glenn Lowry has said, I mean, just discussing this on a well known podcast is blogging heads TV, people know who he is what he's saying. I mean, I don't think that they've responded at all.

Unknown Speaker  1:01:21  
I National Constitution Center in Philadelphia invited me to debate her, or as I said, have dialogue with her before a National Forum that was supposed to take place in April or May. I accept it? And but I don't think she did. But because of the pandemic, I haven't heard any more, but I accepted right away. Yeah. I have a historian on her side and historian on my side. And they wanted us to have a public discussion I accepted, but I haven't heard back.

wil reilly  1:01:54  
Yeah, social justice warriors generally don't accept debate challenges. I don't To stereotype too much now not that describes everyone from 1619. But I mean, like, there's almost an art to it like I, I mean, I've been asked to be the debate coach at a, you know, well known historically black college, we haven't fully, the team isn't exactly set up as of this moment. But I enjoyed debates. I've debated everyone from Jared Taylor on the far right on over to the left. And the whole campus continues that tradition. We've had people like Tim Weiss, this time on the hard left, come and speak, come and debate students and so on. So I mean, I've challenged a bunch of people on the SJW left, like, let's have a conversation, we're both well known enough to get on TV, let's debate and the general response is, like response. One is I won't debate you because you're a Nazi slash Uncle Tom, generally, depending on your race, response. Number two is I don't want to give you visibility, although in every case it has been people have been much better known then. Response number three is, you know, I know my ideas are right and I don't need any challenge from you know, you people over there. There's I won't do your emotional labor for you. Anyone that spent time on Twitter has heard these responses. So no, I don't think that if myself or Bob, were to say, you know, I'll put $10,000 up to your favorite charity, meet me here, there'd be any response at all, but a joke online. Um, I will say if anyone from 1619 wants to have a debate, as polite as you want some cameras in the corners, I'm perfectly open for that. I'd say Bobby probably be open for that. Don't want to speak for anyone. But I think in response to me just saying that right now, like I'll challenge any of you guys to a debate, there will be just hushed whispers for months to come. Nobody's I don't think that's going to happen.

Pete Turner  1:03:40  
And I'll go one further. Anybody who wants to come on the show from the 1619 project? I'll give you an open fair platform to speak from and there's no gotchas. Just curious as to your point of view, and a conversation with will or whomever Bob whoever it is. I'm glad to host it.

wil reilly  1:03:58  
Yeah, it's It's weird. And now again, no, this is a left wing thing, even the extreme right like Jared Taylor was very willing to debate me. I don't agree with him on anything. But I mean, the extreme left is very hard to bring into a debating salon. I mean, Ben Shapiro, the conservative commentator does, as you guys know, the Sunday special, or once a week he invites people on for the, you know, politest imaginable debates, and each one gets about two 3 million views. This is a $500,000 opportunity. He asked every Democratic presidential candidate to come on and just argue with them. And the only one that said yes was Andrew Yang. The idea from all the rest was no I don't think that's appropriate. You know, words like Nazi came up. It's silly, but it's real. Like they rarely debate they usually don't.

Pete Turner  1:04:47  
I love when they call Shapiro Nazi. That's the best

wil reilly  1:04:51  
coupon and everything. Yeah, he's clearly an Orthodox Jew. I mean, he cancels 50 shows a year for the major Jewish holidays. Yeah, but it's These words have become absolutely meaningless. I mean, in terms of the I don't want to just say, you know, online conservative guy cliches, but in terms of the conversation we had earlier, if you think blacks are better athletes and don't give them as many poisonous opiates, you're a racist. We've moved well beyond racist means, hey, don't sit there Spanish boy. Not not my opinion, of course, but to this sort of nonsense. Everything is prejudice. Everything is bigotry. And I think it's understandable that when you just straight up challenge somebody and say, Hey, I think that's bullshit. Will you come on a show with like me, Bob Pete Turner and Dan Crenshaw and debated, it's not surprising that people say, No, I won't. Yeah, um, and a lot of them will slide into your text messages or your DNS and explain why but they're rarely going to say it in a public platform in my experience,

Unknown Speaker  1:05:47  
but let me just say commercial if anybody wants to know more about 7076 they can show up is 1776 unites with an s.com 1776 unites comm you will see articles that people like will and others, they're being interviewed their essays and they're they're very exciting, they're uplifting. They're informative,

wil reilly  1:06:17  
factually accurate.

Bob Woodson  1:06:19  
And they're accurate. That's the main thing.

Pete Turner  1:06:22  
Well, and also I would say to you guys are also prepared to be wrong and evolve your position into something else, you know, and not afraid. Any great idea requires a rigorous challenge to it. No way. No idea worth a damn can't withstand rigor and that's, that's the whole point about the debate is, can you stand there and learn something and get better at your position? You know, you can't say that you already know especially when you're not even 40 years old. You haven't got the first fucking clue about life. You know, when you're no one close to us died. Your best friend hasn't had a divorce and had to live on your couch when you didn't even have a couch yourself. All those things that have to happen in life. Jesus Christ Yeah. Slow down, under, just seek to understand one another. That's that's my big point.

Unknown Speaker  1:07:04  
So anyway, we're we're excited about the future because we think that there are millions of parents out there who don't want to be have their children indoctrinated with 1619. But I think among the worst things that I've heard in terms of racial profiteering Have you heard about a? What is it? A race to dinner?

wil reilly  1:07:28  
Oh, yeah, that's unbelievable about that one. Yeah, my grandma

Unknown Speaker  1:07:32  
raised for dinner. There's a black woman and an Indian woman have teamed up. And what they do is they recruit seven guilty white women who would be willing to host one of them host a dinner in their homes, they have to pay what $2,500 and then they will come in and they'll beat up on them to to expose their racism. So far they have had 5050 outings and they are guilty white women. This is a crying and they talking about we're helping you to confront your racism and your privilege. And so they just penguin just offered them a book deal.

wil reilly  1:08:18  
The funny thing about this is that my partner Jane is an upper middle class white looking, she's part native woman, and she was actually contacted about this. Um, so the whole thing about race, according to her, I mean, I don't know the exact email sequence or whatever a friend senator, she was directly, you know, hit up. But the whole race to dinner idea is that there is an Indian American woman Syrah Rao, and a black partner. I don't know her name offhand, and they are both utterly non oppressed upper class American women. But they will, as Bob said, hold these dinners where 10 guilty rich white women will sit there and be told how racist they are. So like, for example, if Did you adopt a black kid? Why are you fetishizing? Black people? There are 10 or 15 questions that are used to start these conversations. Oh, you've got a black man, professional athlete, you think that means you can't be racist? The transcripts of these dinners are unbelievably hilarious. But Segura Rao recently signed a deal for the book race to dinner with like a big publisher. I think what he said was England. I mean, like, in contrast, I mean,

Unknown Speaker  1:09:28  
Penguin, I think it was. Yeah, that's, I mean, this is this is how anxious the left is to publicize the school. Can you imagine? I'm in the wrong business, man.

Pete Turner  1:09:41  
It's like It's like a dominatrix club for white ladies. With no nudity involved. He's going there and get mentally abused for an hour.

wil reilly  1:09:50  
Girl, I bet there's a substantial, substantial substantial overlap between subbing and going to these dinners. That's all I'm gonna say about

Unknown Speaker  1:09:58  
that. We're thinking About 7076 we want to be competitive in that race. So we're going to have 1776 reparation paddles. Oh, yeah. So that I would paddle. So if you're feeling privileged, you can have a black thing give you a whack.

wil reilly  1:10:17  
Bomb myself and someone else with a sense of humor. I think maybe we'd once sat around thinking of BS like this, we could sell to people who either white businessmen that have a sense of humor or business women, of course, are just guilty idiots. But like one of the things was a white privilege card, which should just be a blank white plastic card that looks like a visa, you can take it to the grocery store and see exactly what your privilege is worth on every purchase. I think that was hilarious. Bob's was the reparations paddle. If you want to feel guilty to have a black friend strike you as hard as they can. If you happen to beat them in basketball or golf or whatever, that's the time to apologize, you know. But just all this stuff and I mean, it's I am strong. I mean We're gonna sell this stuff and I think that there is a market for it because people are starting to get the joke. Like, there are situations where it is appropriate to feel guilty. If I were a male, I obviously am but if a female friend of mine told me she'd been sexually assaulted by a guy I knew you would start to ask questions as a guy who are your friends? How can you be a better man, so on? Similarly, if you live during the 1950s, and American, your wife had a bit of guilt as appropriate, how can I help you know, Joe from the job really get his rights? There are some of these same questions came up even with gay rights in the 2000s. But today, I think most people understand that Asian Americans and middle class blacks and legal immigrants like Cubans are as wealthy as anybody else. And when you see an Indian woman in a 20 $500 dk in white dress, standing at the foot of a dinner table, screaming at a bunch of submissive looking white people, most people are going to react by saying this is the most ridiculous damn thing I've ever seen not by saying how can I, you know, punish my own privilege there. I mean, a certain percentage of people are masochists. I mean, I've read figures as high as 15 or 20%. So there probably will be some people that keep flagellating themselves with this crap. But I think that what you're seeing from most people is a subsurface mockery of the whole thing, where no one has a Twitter account in their real name anymore. And when someone posts something woke, it's just people rolling and ridiculing it, and saying things like we was Tangs, and I don't necessarily approve of all that, but I think that's because people have gotten tired of the bullshit like it's obvious to most people say Morales not oppressed. She just got probably a half million dollar book deal looking at what penguin normally puts out, in no possible context is someone in that position, doing worse than the huge majority of the population. So people are starting to get it. You just can't say it in public yet.

Pete Turner  1:12:55  
Fellas, we set a lot public here today and we're over an hour I want Respect your guys's time. And Bob, thank you so much for coming on. It's just it's always a treat to have someone new come on and express ideas and like for those of you guys who disagree, the comments are yours to put in there and I'll play around a little bit with the best but I love it. I love what you're doing. I love that you're creating an opportunity to create a positive narrative around who we are and what it means to be an American and you know, to look at the DNA as a whole thing, not just not just some birth defect as you call it, Bob, so I appreciate you guys both coming on. 

Bob Woodson  1:13:31  
I appreciate having me and I just enjoyed it. I always enjoyed being with Will