Craig “Sawman” Sawyer - Navy SEAL Battles Human Trafficking

Craig “Sawman” Sawyer - Navy SEAL Battles Human Trafficking - Back in the Navy, Sawman was elite amongst the elite as a SEAL who was assigned to SEAL Team 6, AKA DEVGRU. After his Navy career ended Sawman was consulting, working with TV shows as an expert in his field...then something awful happened. 

More on Craig Sawman Sawyer here

His daughter was assaulted by a child predator and became a statistic in the $150 Billion human trafficking problem. Human trafficking of children is happening here in the US, by US citizens. Each predator averages 70 victims. Sawman found a new enemy.  

Sawyer followed his daughter's lead when she said, she wanted to get people like that off the street. Craig founded Veterans for Child Rescue with the charter of education, arresting child predators and protecting our children.  

VFCR created a documentary ContraLand is available on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI-7h9KH01N7LoKo7P8Z5vg/featured

Haiku
It’s your worst nightmare
You hope the cops find you first
When the Sawman comes

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Transcription

Pete Turner  0:00  
Hey everybody Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of your break it down show doing today's live introduction for our episode today. I have a badass This is actually the third badass from a single day of badass is I have Craig Saman sire from dev guru aka SEAL Team Six. And I guess that day we had Jay Dobbins undercover ATF agent. Okay, cool. That's, that's badass for sure. Also Don Frye, UFC Hall of Famer and open fighting style legend. And then of course, we had Craig in the evening, and it's just a bunch of badass dudes doing incredible things. ​

Pete Turner  0:00  
Hey everybody Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of your break it down show doing today's live introduction for our episode today. I have a badass This is actually the third badass from a single day of badass is I have Craig Saman sire from dev guru aka SEAL Team Six. And I guess that day we had Jay Dobbins undercover ATF agent. Okay, cool. That's, that's badass for sure. Also Don Frye, UFC Hall of Famer and open fighting style legend. And then of course, we had Craig in the evening, and it's just a bunch of badass dudes doing incredible things. Craig's new venture now, now that he's not a seal anymore and he's out fighting against human trafficking. It's a it's an area we've been discussing a lot here in the break it down show his organizations called veterans for child rescue.org veterans for child rescue. And they go out they may go out after folks that are looking for young kids and trying to traffic them for for sexual purposes. It's hard work with with nasty people. But he's out there making it hard on them and and hopefully putting a dent in what turns out to be a multi billion dollar industry it's crazy. You guys should go check out their YouTube movie car crash it's a pot it's a documentary called contra land movie and if you type in Contra land as one word, you will find the the documentary control and together we can end child trafficking and there right we can. This is a powerful episode Craig talks directly about his experiences in his family, and what it means to go after these traffickers. huge huge huge shout out to a couple of people one is Michael Broderick, the actor Marine who said hey, you need to have saw man on the show. And so we got this in just as all the COVID closings are happening still in Arizona. My friends were wondering, can you come back from California so I was able to grab him face to face so I did so hat tip to Michael Broderick and for all he does is he's big supporter of community. And of course, my friend Dan White, who put me up and drove me all around. He was there in the background. Taking pictures and and he's been a great friend to beat. So I appreciate him. And once again, we had a great day. So big shout out to Dan and to Michael, how you support the show you can buy the shirts I'm about to put I think I haven't done this week the new shirts will be out. Obviously subscribing to the show on YouTube. We're so close to 1000 subscriptions, which is a big milestone in terms of the show and kidding, you know, attention paid by YouTube. But in general, it's just participating sharing, commenting liking when you comment, I'm going to jump in and comment with you. That's what helps that post stay to the top of the feed let seventh discovery human trafficking is a scourge. And this is how you help this episode stay on top of the feed it's by participating with it Hey one final thing before we go you know I'm going to say now it's saved the brave save the brave.org save the brave is our home charity here Scott, john and myself all contribute to a monthly effect to take my donation comes out in two days. Every month we give a small amount of money we give our time we give our attention and obviously we we Give the ads here on the show so make sure you guys go check out save the brave.org and now here comes the saw man.

Unknown Speaker  3:07  
Millions rock productions

Unknown Speaker  3:12  
This is Jay Morrison crew

Unknown Speaker  3:14  
This is Jordan. Dexter from the offspring Navy Sebastian yo this is Rick Murat Stewart COPPA This is handy somebody there's a skunk Baxter Gabby Reese is Rob Bell This is Jonathan gray and this is Pete a Turner

Sawman Sawyer  3:28  
hey this is Craig saw man Sawyer and you're listening to the break it down show

Pete Turner  3:34  
When did you become the saw man the high school or something where

Unknown Speaker  3:38  
it morphed into the Somme and it was saw mug saw dude saw a dog saw dog yes saw man and then more when it came into the seal teams it became saw man more prevalent and then it just stuck. It stuck and that's what it's been ever since because when you

Pete Turner  3:54  
show up to the teams or od a or anything like that, you can't say I've got a nickname because there's like no, you don't have a nickname. Here's your new nickname, and it ain't never gonna be good. Right? Right. But with your name, though, you're kind of already in that nickname zone.

Unknown Speaker  4:06  
It was it was already so known. That's what the guys already called me. So it was it just never changed.

Unknown Speaker  4:12  
Right? Right, right, right, right.

Pete Turner  4:15  
One seal story and then we're not gonna talk about seals anymore. Anything you want to throw out

Unknown Speaker  4:19  
there. You know, the cool stuff you do is is not really cool for other people. I think what what we all when we hoist a pint with the brothers, we all talk about the screwed up stuff that we laugh about in the team room right going, Hey, remember when so and so got his foot hung up and he's flying around upside down or whatever? Yeah, there was there was a time when I was the lead fast attack vehicle driver. All right. I was way back at the SEAL Team one. And we were backed into this ch 47. And it had this giant fuel bladder in it and we were backed right up against that thing. And the the engine had was breaking up essentially. So the chips kept going into the into the engine in the chips and Light kept going on a computer was going off. So the pilots would do this fixed wing style landing across the desert floor to keep from browning out and the crew chief would jump out, take the few the oil screen out, bang it out, get all the chips off of it, put it back in, the pilots would reset the computer and off we'd go again. Right So, but the motor was breaking up. Yeah. That was that was pre dusk, and then it got dusk and then it got dark and we everybody had just gone on nods and they went to go do this again for the third time. And this time, they saw an above ground pipeline but only after it was too late because the sand that they had been pushing in front of them had obscured it until we were on it. And they pulled back on the stick and flare to the degree that where I was looking out of the back of the bird I'm sitting in the in the in the driver's seat and a five point racing harness. And I'm looking straight down at the ground and I'm wondering to myself How much pitch is too far before lift is no longer lift? Yeah. If the nose of this part is literally straight up and down, how far can he do this until something goes horribly wrong. Anyway, the other two guys were not on ICS. So they weren't hearing the pilots. But the pilots were kind of losing it. They were, they were losing their cool, not their normal demeanor. And so it got to be quite frantic for a couple seconds, the engine completely blew and we landed on the oil pipeline, and they got up just enough RPM to get up off of it with the one remaining engine and set the bird down. And I was the only one that could hear that the other guys didn't hear what was going on. But they said, Hey, this mission is a scrub. This is an abort. We're going to RT, RTB Yeah, ASAP for the other bird and there's nothing but spinning heads up in the air because we're running already. For that other part. We're like, we're at AIR bed. We've had enough of this thing. So that's a you know, that's a story that something that we laugh about those kinds of things. You know,

Pete Turner  6:59  
I actually had A broken helicopter story. So I was flying over camps doing like vulnerability assessments, just taking aerial photos, and no big deal. You know, they strap you in, you lean out, you take pictures and it's it's a riot until they're like, hey, something wrong with the motor and it's a Black Hawk. So it's not like super high performance. These guys don't want 60th cause you just guys just flying, they're good at it. So we park and then they kind of it's like, it's like an episode of Magnum p or TCS? Like I don't know what to do. That's go out. So like, well, we think we can make it back. It's gonna be alright. But you know, that's a big decision for these guys, because it's their bird and you know, I'm on it and everything else. So we're gonna drop you off at your camp, and then we're going to head back, everything should be fine. I don't want you to worry. But you know, and then they give me the whole briefing. So I'm like, I'm dumb. I'm young. I'm like, whatever. So we start flying, and they dropped me off and then I realized, holy shit. The helipad is at least a mile from the camp. And I'm so low patrolling through, you know, Bosnia, and they, you know, briefest like there are 18 bazillion minds and, you know, watch out The kids might try to kill you. And I'm like, Holy fuck, I don't have a radio. Not cool. Not cool. No one even knows I'm coming. I don't know. Got it. But what if I kiss you every step of the way? I'm like, What if What if? What if I totally, partially, apparently broke my brain a little bit, you know? Like, it was like my first real combat and even nothing happened. Yeah, I didn't know that. And I thought what if I get all into this thing? And they see me you know, like, Who the fuck is that? Nice. And some guy shoots me cuz he's on guard duty. Yeah. And I'm like,

Sawman Sawyer  8:27  
reentering friendly lines is no joke and hostile.

Pete Turner  8:30  
Yeah. And I didn't know like, you know, I didn't know what the password was for the day. And I don't remember we had a running password. But still, it's super dangerous. And I was like, I'm Pete. And it worked out but how terrifying right? You know, I'm like, no big deal. I don't like it. No big deal. Then I realized years later my holy shit that fucked me up a little bit. You know?

Unknown Speaker  8:48  
It's crazy. Well, there was a there was a guy as a Mac v SOG. Operator in Vietnam. Yeah, I was talking to him at the SF safe house in Bangkok a few years ago. Yeah. pumping in for stories because whenever I meet one of those guys, I'm like, Man, you're the guys I wanted to be. Yeah, you know that the navy seals that were working in the wrong SAT, special zone and you Mac v SOG. Operators are who I wanted to become I wanted to operate with you guys. Yeah, that's what motivated me to come do this and, you know, will you tell me some of your experiences and so you know they do and this guy was he was talking to me and I said, Will you tell me the most hairy thing that you felt or experienced? He goes, Craig. without any hesitation, I can tell you where it allows and we were doing a dark patrol and we knew there was heavy enemy. activity and contact was imminent. Yeah, but he goes it was in those times when it was so dark. You couldn't see your hand in front of your face. And nothing was wrong. nothing was happening in your mind, which is absolutely terrify you. And you know, he said it was actually a real relief. Once contact was made and you saw X number of muzzle flashes and enemies strengthen, you're like, Okay, now we do what we do in return to that at least you understand that, you know, it's not something

Pete Turner  10:13  
else I because your mind play tricks on you so he said that for him that was the most heinous and scary thing I think that's our error is hard thing like, you know, you sit there and you wait and the tension is always pulled. And you just don't know when when someone's going to push nine on their phone or you drive over the you know, and just like you're always waiting, like it's about to happen all the time, you know, scan everything pattern of life and you're looking, you're looking, you're waiting, and it just fucks us up,

Sawman Sawyer  10:38  
you know, the minds a terrible thing, isn't it?

Pete Turner  10:40  
And how many of us have said, and I know you said this because we've all said this, like, I'd rather be in combat than suffer through this when you come back you know, you're just like, this is horrible, you know? And it's like I've said I'm like I'd rather be shot at

Unknown Speaker  10:52  
this. Well, we're creatures of habit. We humans Yeah. And and we, we more we're more comfortable in things that are familiar Yeah. And you take a combat veteran, he's, he's been in theater for months or years. And for him that's very familiar. And although it sucks, yeah, it sucks in a familiar way and that's where he's more comfortable. Ultimately, he's he becomes wired to exist in that environment. And so, you know, this is like, you know, jumping out of a bus and hitting a parked truck you know, it's like the the pace of life and the intensity is entirely different.

Pete Turner  11:29  
Yeah, some guy with the bad mustaches your boss is talking to you. You're like, I could I could kill you right now. You don't realize I'm sorting this out? Like oh, you're gonna be alright today, but you don't know how close you came, you know? Oh, my God. Yeah. Enough about that stuff. Let's talk about what you're working on now because a new mission even crazier than all the other stuff you've done. And the fact that it's here is blowing my mind.

Unknown Speaker  11:54  
It's crazier because it's it's not have Have a sound mind the abuse that child predators perpetrate on children I still to this day I've been doing this very actively full time for three years now. And I still can't comprehend why people get off on just doing the unthinkable to precious and innocent children. I don't understand that that's what makes it crazy. It's It's insane. Yeah. And it comes from a very dark and despicable place. It's the absolute worst element of mankind that does this. And that's it's something that I would I would rather do anything else on the face of this planet than deal with this. It's so despicable. Yeah, I'm a heart. I'm a big kid. I'm a recreational minded guy, man. I raced motocross when I got out of the games. Yeah, I played in rock and roll bands. I love to have fun. I'm a surfer. rock climber. Yeah, I love the outdoors. And I love watersports. And I just like to just have just mindless, recreational fun with my life in my time. But, you know, after experiencing all the things that I have, and undergoing all the training and capability that I've arranged or not arranged but benefited from from gaining over the years, and all the contacts that I know that are very powerful and capable people, I can't in good faith turn away from what I now know and feel okay about it. That's the bottom line is too many people turn away turn away from that, which is unacceptable. And that is what allows the crooks to thrive. And we've created created unwittingly, a permissive environment for child sex trafficking in the United States.

Pete Turner  13:48  
I want to get back into the human trafficking thing, but I want to ask you this too, given your background, all the training, the extreme challenge of just getting through buds in half of a piece, not even one piece, you know, Is that all the path to get to this point? Like, is this really what you're meant to do? Do you think

Unknown Speaker  14:03  
or is you're not sure yet or I have zero doubt that this is exactly what I'm meant to do. Yeah. And it's been confirmed through all of my friends and family. Yeah, they they say My God, Craig, look behind you at the ridiculous life path that you have lived. Yeah. And how it has been very specifically a dress rehearsal and training course. For what you now do. Yeah. Yeah. And for me, it kind of blows my mind because I can look back and see it. Yeah. Now I think it's important for people to consider this at each time when I undergo underwent these life challenges and setbacks and obstacles and points of pain in my life. I did not understand why. Right. And at times, I did feel sorry for myself. Now I didn't run around telling everybody that but on the inside I felt like God Why me? What have I done? Yeah, today deserve this? Well, in hindsight now at 56 years old, I'm, uh, I understand a little bit more about how things work and I can look back and go, Wow, it wasn't because I was a bad person and I was being punished. I was being trained and prepared. Yeah. Right. If you took a child and he didn't know any better, and you put him through boot camp, he would think he was being punished. But really, if he has to go off to war, yeah, boot camp and and military training is to prepare us for the the task at hand in a hostile environment. Well, my life's path has been a long training course, to prepare me to rip the lid off of child sex trafficking, and kick the pants out of the child predators now. How is it that

Pete Turner  15:44  
because I've only started to become hip to this because Jason Piccolo introducing this and I had Jeremy McHugh on the show. Yeah. Good show. Yeah. And, and all working on this bigger problem of, you know, human trafficking in the United states. And I mean in like as in like here right now, you know, yeah, you know, Arizona, California all these places where for a variety of reasons whether you know you're focused on one aspect or not, that's really happened. I had no idea. It was so pervasive and so poorly provisioned because we are focused on other aspects that are equally important. You know, like, whatever terror, that kind of thing. I mean, you drive around Ground Zero, there's a lot of money being spent on keeping Ground Zero from getting attacked again. Yeah, but those in it that innocent kid, you know, that's, that's approachable. I was at Glenn Beck studio, you know, doing some appearances there. And he was talking about how his kid was being groomed via like Xbox, over the headset. And I shot He's like, and we were lucky to catch it. When we did it. His kid was groomed his kid was like, No, you understand, you know, Craig's great guy. I'm gonna go meet him. He's a great guy. It's like, Fuck, your kid was about to get disappeared or Yeah, nothing good was going to happen from there. Yeah, yeah. And and the American

Unknown Speaker  16:59  
populace. is generally unwitting to it. And that's, that's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. So my, my mission and and I looked at it, and I saw the same thing that you did. And I was deploying for different agencies back over into the war zones trying to keep some of our highest ranking diplomatic, diplomatic officials and intelligence community officials off of AlJazeera dot Evening News in an orange jumpsuit, right? Yep. So moving those people around and doing that is good work. And, but once I started learning about what was going on here, I thought, Wait a minute. I've done some counter poaching work in Africa, for the rhino poaching, and why am I going over there and helping them although I love the animals and I was passionate about that mission. Right. Our own children are being hunted right here. Yeah. If child sex trafficking is the fastest growing criminal enterprise on Earth, right, estimated 38 to $50 billion a year enterprise in the United States, Julian with Yes. Just with the Children alone, right? Then why would I deploy anywhere else on earth right to confront bad guys that may come here, when there are obviously tons of them already here actively attacking our children and you know, my own daughter was was abducted down by the University of Arizona, at knifepoint brutally raped again and again, and night long. Wow. And we are woken up by a phone call. Three years ago, and I could hear my baby girl screaming through the phone. And she had just turned 18 and she was she was hysterical. And she was driving home. She was running red lights and everything else how did you not kill everybody in Tucson? Well, that's that's how I woke up from a deep sleep at like four in the morning or whenever it was three or four. And my wife was crying. And she said, Oh my god, baby. It's Aspen. She's been raped. And I'm spinning out of the rack looking for my kit. It's like who gets nuked? What grid square gets nuked right now right who all has to die? Yeah to safeguard my my baby. Girl Yeah. And and I heard her and I and so I picked up my phone and I said Where is she? And she says she's driving home. I'm like, What street Is she on? She told me the name of the street that she was on. I said give me a cross street I'm getting the sheriff's department to vector in intercept her and in either escort her home or better yet, parole her over and make her safe right there and strong point and I'll come to her because they can get to her before I can. So this is from this isn't a matter of seconds from a deep sleep. And my wife said she's not stopping for anything crazy. She's not stopping. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  19:40  
Yeah, she was she was quite clearly a danger to the public courses. Nobody on the road at that that hour but it was it was an upsetting way to wake up. And so we we we got her back safe was Sheriff's Department was already here at the house waiting and we We took her to the first thing we took her to the hospital. And on the way there I said, sweet pea color, sweet pea. I said, there's two ways that we can approach this for now. Number one, we can insulate you and, and try to separate you from this as much as we can and try to make it better now, or we can fight back and that decision has to be yours.

Pete Turner  20:26  
Right.

Unknown Speaker  20:28  
And, as I said, if you choose to fight back, that's how you get him. But it also means they're gonna dig it all into your every part of your body. Yeah, and they're gonna poke you and take a lot of samples of everything. And they're gonna ask you a lot of really deep painful questions now, but only you know the right answer for you. That's it. You tell me and we'll honor that and respect it and she she said, Oh, oh, Papa, there's no question about it. We got to get this sob off the street. We cannot he's done this extensively. He had a knife to me all night long. And he told me I was the one he only when he hadn't killed yet. And he didn't know why he hadn't killed me. Yeah. And I had to figure out how to get away from him. So he's got to go down and I'll do anything it takes. And so, on the outside, I was really cool. I want you to know, I was like, ice cool. It's like, yeah, that's, that's a respectable decision. Aspen, we appreciate that, you know, I was very calm and collected on the inside is jumping up and down, like rocky at the end of his fight, you know? Fight back, you know, I was so pumped because that fighting spirit of that of that decision to go after the predator so that he could not do this to anyone else. It made me really proud of her in that moment of crisis when most people don't necessarily think that way. So many of them. The victims don't want to go through, quite frankly, stuff that they're going to be put through that. That should be made a lot easier on them, in my opinion. Yeah. And so they just they tap out and they like, Hey, I'm not willing to go through that anymore. In the trial and all the way over, yeah, it's just I wanted to go away. So she was willing to fight back. So we went to the hospital and the detective said, Are you the father? And I said, Yeah, I'm the father. And she looked at her part, and she goes, well just realize it'll probably take us quite some time to find whoever did it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And my wife started laughing. And she's like, excuse me, and I said, Well, you'd better be you're not you're not gonna have that kind of time. Yeah, you better be damn quick if you plan to beat me too. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  22:30  
right. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  22:32  
And she looked at me and I raised my eyebrows. And my wife's like pointing at me like, you better listen to them. And the detective looked at her partner and her partner motion her outside. They said, Excuse us, they went outside for about 20 minutes. Yeah. And then they came back now they know my name, Mr. Sawyer. We're going to make this our first priority. My wife whispered to me they called you or they ran your name. I'm like clearly Yeah, but and while I'm sad that it that it took them figured out that They got a deaf guru operator that's probably going to go off and burn people alive on the mayor's front yard or whatever they could imagine. Yeah, being done to this clown. I was glad to hear them decide that they were going to do something about it. My wish would be that they would have done that no matter what the child's father was. Because isn't the victim just as deserving Absolutely. No matter who her daddy is, she can't choose who our daddy is.

Pete Turner  23:22  
Right? And I get like, the resources, you know, it's Tucson is a big place. There's a lot of people yeah. And it's like, you know, how do you manage it? I live in Orange County, 3.5 million people, but 200,000 people always there for Disneyland conferences, you know, so it is something crazy happening any given the moment you can't cover it all, you know, so I get the part the part that, hey, we're going to get to this we're going to you know, it's going to be important, but you know, wait 10 minutes, there's another you know, there's dad next right there, you know, yeah, it's crazy that that is the case. But it's also crazy to have a dev guru guy going. like okay, this guy can make some things happen. We'd better play ball here and just somehow come up with scenarios. But yeah, I mean, that's why I'd like how did you not kill everybody? Because, you know, there is. There's also I don't want to go down that road anyhow. Yeah. I'm glad that you were able to deal with it in a way that made sense. So, what did they do with you? How did they did they involve you in the process?

Unknown Speaker  24:19  
They they said, Give us a few days. Okay. We're asking you. Yeah, just do nothing. Yeah. Let us it's better for all of us. Just let us yeah, we're on it. Yeah, let us do our deal. And I said, Okay, and, in hindsight, come to find out, they'd done a SWAT team raid, they'd figured out who he was and where he was just SWAT team raid on the house. He wasn't in the house at the time, but then they found him like two days later on the sidewalk, one of the officers of Tpd made a chance contact stop, but I thought that that looked like him. And it was and he cuffed him up and and put them in the car. Yeah. He He told the guy you're lucky we got to you before the father did. So that's the first thing that that Perper when he got caught. So, you know, I guess that feels nice in a way. But my frustration is that he had done this to numerous people and soft judges had allowed him back out on the streets again and again. In fact, he'd had a warrant out for him for months before he abducted and raped and assaulted our daughter. He should not have been on the streets that that attack to our daughter should not have happened, right? It but for a soft judge who had allowed it. Yeah. And I want everybody that that looks at this situation with a child sex predators and in the legal system to realize that it's not merciful. It's not kind to go soft on a child predator. They never change. That's one of the things that's hardwired Yeah, that their preferences don't ever change and they cannot be alone. Do it again and again because they don't ever stop the average number of children whose lives they destroyed is 7070 children for every child molester, some of them put themselves in positions where they they rape hundreds of children before they die.

Pete Turner  26:20  
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Unknown Speaker  26:41  
here before they die, yeah, and some of them get caught immediately. So the average is 70 children each so we've got a problem we've got to crack down on it legally we it's not it's not a kind and merciful thing to let them loose, because they're only going to cause greater harm. Yeah, guarantee.

Pete Turner  26:58  
So was this what got you in To this part of the game,

Unknown Speaker  27:01  
no, that was the that was the kind of the cup check after I'd committed to it. And it did feel good that the paperwork came through. And we were able to found the organization officially within a month after our daughter's abduction. So that that was a little bit of it felt good to have that legal progress made on our fight and our mission. That Yeah, like evil, you know, kicked me in the groin when I committed to this fight, to kind of see if I really meant business. And I did, and that next the next win for us was getting the organization legally registered and all the paperwork completed and we were certified. So then, we started, started raising money. We started filming a documentary to alert the populace on the threat that they did not know about running joint operations with federal and local law enforcement. Now we've gotten 22 predator arrests with 100% conviction rate already. And we're lining up a bunch more.

Pete Turner  28:07  
Yeah, well, you keep taking them off the street, you know, and that's that's the difference maker, you know? Yeah. So how do you guys I mean, this is you know, it's a legal thing that there's rules and shit You can't just go out and, you know, attack people and how you investigate. There's ways

Sawman Sawyer  28:22  
with it. Now you tell me Tom's talking about I've been coloring all outside the lines? No,

Pete Turner  28:28  
yeah. But yeah, what do you guys do? How do you guys play within the system? Because obviously, you're doing it, you know, in a well

Unknown Speaker  28:33  
sense well, morally, and legally speaking. Some people ask me, Craig, how do you keep from? Oh, there's that question going off on these guys. And my answer to that is, if I continue to color inside the lines, then I am allowed to keep coloring. And if my motivation and my strategic goal is to change the culture of the United States back to one that is protective of our nation, Children rather than the one that we have now that's predatory, secretly so but very predatory against our children, then I'm going to have to stay at this for the long game. And to do that, I've got to color inside the line. And so I'm finding the way to make the most powerful positive effect within that left and right lateral limit. So I've realized that because it's a permissive environment, and it's relatively easy for them, I need to create a hostile and non permissive environment out of the United States, against child sex trafficking and child sex predators, so that wherever they go, people see that they see them. They understand what it is because they've seen my documentaries and my information pieces all over the place, and they've been informed and empowered. And so now they can see the predator. They'll take pictures, they'll ask questions, they'll call the police. They'll take video of license plates, and Run people down the airports. They that's not your daughter. She just told me in the bathroom. Who are you? Why are you dragging her through the airport, police, police police and so that these guys are going to have a damn hard time of continuing this in the future to such a point and it's in my heart to make it too so hostile that they say well, it's just too hot. The heck with that I'm gonna find another way to make money here this kid thing is it's a nightmare. It's not worth it anymore.

Pete Turner  30:26  
You know? It's if you've seen the documentary Don't fuck with catcher don't mess with cats. I'm talking about. I've heard of it. Yeah, it's like a it's so for those that are listening. It's like a Facebook group. And you know, the videos of cats. And there's this promo serial killer, who is killing cats and then posting on Facebook, the videos everything. And they didn't like that. So because they were so passionate about the cat thing. They became this powerful joint cell of you no analysis, and they're like looking at a blank wall and going where would this person be? Well you know this is and they would start putting the puzzle together like a mob mob that's not the right way a group of people who are unaffiliated all of a sudden start saying well that looks like this This looks like that. And network right and then worked at the cops could never do because when they brought it to the cops are cops like we're talking about you guys are crazy and all sudden that that kept stacking in like evident not circumstance like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and they're like, Well, you've done a lot of our work for us. Yeah. And they were able to get this guy off the streets ultimately, before it went too bad because this guy was going to go to jail at some point or die. You know, it was just how many people he killed in the process, you know, but it was incredible to see just the power of that Facebook group. And there, they latched on and it took a long time to do and yeah, they're coloring outside of the lines in a way that this is not normal, but they didn't break the law in doing it. You know,

Unknown Speaker  31:50  
legally they were inside the lines, right? Yeah, no, I don't mean coloring. Yeah, I don't mean to say that coloring inside the lines as far as conventional tactics or wisdom would go No, I'm in a very outside the box, unconventional minded kind of guy, okay for solutions, but legally speaking what I say I color inside the lines so that I'm allowed to continue doing that, because I've got the federal law enforcement background as well. Yeah. And and I can kind of speak that language and understand those sensitivities and liabilities for law enforcement and they know that I'm not Rambo coming through the door with a belt fed machine gun, and everybody dies.

Pete Turner  32:29  
Yeah, you do kind of have rod deal kind of compound here like helicopter, an auto gun.

Unknown Speaker  32:36  
So I think it's, it's fantastic what you just shared about the group on Facebook, because look, here's a bunch of regular citizens that just decided to have a positive effect. And the network is very pot very powerful. So they shared information and they begin building and compiling evidence and that's what you need to take these credits. off the streets. So what a beautiful thing. Together we are what we can't be alone. We can be a network together, we cannot be a network alone. And we can all have our hearts broken, we can all be angered and raged by injustice and cruelty and just absolute mindless destruction of people's lives. But what are we going to do about it? Well, we can become a network. And I think it's a very powerful solution to start watching, and learning how these guys tick and, and start compiling evidence and start sharing it and pushing it to the right law enforcement units and demanding that something be done and then having the positive outcome and you know what we can all do that from, from wherever we are. And the just the knowledge for that predator that you're trying to get them at least to consider that. There are cameras everywhere now, like in this documentary, like camera here, camera here, camera here, and they were able to slowly

Pete Turner  33:57  
put evidence together of things that you Unless you're constantly aware that there's a camera or you're not doing anything wrong, you're never gonna know.

Unknown Speaker  34:05  
Yeah, you know, it's so those things are powerful in terms of determining how where do you guys how do you guys draw your line around human trafficking because again, the thing I've learned is like, there's external, you know, coming in and pushing kids out. There's, you know, just the sex trafficking of like, you know, like, turning someone into a prostitute or without a lot of varieties. What is your guys's flavor, I guess, would you say of? What's your target within that world? I want to destroy the whole thing. I want to sink the entire ship of child sex, abuse and trafficking all together. I need not be part of who we are. Even animals in the animal kingdom except for like an alpha male lion that takes over a pride and wants to kill off all the Cubs that aren't his because he wants the Cubs to he wants to know that it's his offspring, all the rest of the animal kingdom look after their yo even animals. So how can we look down on animals that that take care of their young if we just Troy, our own offspring is human. How dare we, I mean, what a pathetic indicator of what we've slumped into. So, man, I would say we've got to be better than that. And none of it is good. None of it's acceptable. All of it destroys the children's lives, man, we interview the surviving victims all the time. And they'll tell you very clearly in their adulthood what they could never articulate in their little child's mind. Because the frontal lobe and outer cortex of our brains are not fully developed now till they're learning more like 23 to 25 years of age.

Pete Turner  35:34  
Yeah, possibly later than that

Unknown Speaker  35:36  
frontal lobe and outer cortex are not yet fully developed. So a child does not have the defense mechanism mentally, to fend off a full grown predatory adult. That's a master manipulator and can threaten and coerce that child to get what he wants. And it destroys the little minds. And what I asked these predators when we when we are sitting They're talking to them. And they're there to have sex with children. I let them know that who I am and why I'm there. And I'll ask them. What did you think this was going to do? to this child? Looks because some of the predators have children of their own. I'm like, would you want this done to your children? And some of them like oh, heck no. Are you kidding me? And I said, then what did you think was gonna happen to this kid? Whose child is this? What if this was you? This child would you want to be raped by a full grown man? And they they don't have an answer because they are not considering the child and that's why this there's there's some elements in our society that want to say, oh, there's no rules there should you know that you should have no moral rules in life and, and just free minds just to whatever you want. It's just a sexual preference. Yeah. Well, I'd say if you're an adult, and and you are consenting, then have at it. Tear yourself down. pieces, I don't care what you do, until you make it my problem. When you start attacking children and ruin in the lives in the minds of little children that can't defend themselves, they cannot advocate for themselves. They cannot give you their consent for that. Because in their little minds, they're screaming, even though they're not screaming on the outside, you're shattering their little minds that we know that because we interview tons of them. And they can tell you later. Oh, yeah, it was it was a nightmare. But I don't know, but I didn't know what to do. And I was scared and ashamed and ashamed and confused and just young and didn't know so it's just there's it's all bad. It's all bad. We got to go after these guys. So we got a hold on we they need to be scared and they need to be worried that they're going to run into guys like us. Is this because they are

Pete Turner  37:49  
it's a regional problem. Like I mean, I'll see. Okay, so it's everywhere.

Sawman Sawyer  37:52  
Yeah, it is literally everywhere. And it is everyone we have caught. Federal law enforcement agent And seeking sex with underage children. We have caught active duty army recruiter. We've caught illegal aliens. We've caught fundamentalist mormon church elder. We've, I mean, every every every segment of society it's not the it's it's not the subculture it's the general it's evil is what it is. and evil can manifest itself in the heart of any anybody. And we we've learned that you really can't judge a book by its cover you look at look at somebody you can't tell. You cannot tell

Pete Turner  38:42  
someone who's listening right now and wants to understand more about this, like they're still blown away, like where can they go for a reference? I mean, obviously, your guys's website but in general, where do they go to get some in this day and age? It's like it's so hard to know what's real and what's not. So like, what would you say? Where do you send folks to?

Unknown Speaker  38:58  
Yeah, well, our website Is vets for child rescue.org and we keep that pretty heavily loaded up with empowering information. So I'd have them go there first and learn more and and learn how they they predators stalk your children through their apps, on their phones through their computers through their Xbox games, right? It's really ugly in and counting the way that the predator stalked him that way. So your children have to be aware of that and you have to be aware of who your children are hanging out with and who they're talking with on their phones. You have to you have to have access to their phones. And one of the most brilliant solutions I've heard is keeping your kids phones in your master bedroom on charge at night. Once sun goes down, kid don't have any more business with that phone. I'm going to take it in mommy and daddy's room and here they are. Here's where the phones stay on charge. And you have it back before you go to school or whatever. Other another website is mC mC the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they have a lot of good statistics on there. And they're hugely funded and have access to a lot of data. Yeah, so that's a good data source as well. We've got partner organizations that have good, good information as well. One of ours is sold no more. And they specialize in education and prevention. And so if you go to sold no more.org, I believe or calm, you'll, you'll see quite a bit of good stuff on their website.

Pete Turner  40:29  
When you say, children, I mean, there's a legal definition and then there's like tender age, which is like, just to give context, but I mean, again, their brains aren't even fully formed and they're over 18 years old. So like, what do you guys see? Like, is there a targeted age? Like we're gonna tell parents like, you're always worried about your kid, but at some point, you got to go my kids 25 years old, you know, like, yeah, hold their phone, right? What are we talking give us some context on what a kid would

Unknown Speaker  40:55  
seem like the the biggest numbers of of Victims we're seeing are between like 12 and 14. Okay, range. So a 13 year old kids like right in the sweet spot of where I'm seeing the most the most attacks the most predation because right, they've got phones, they've got the the devices, children, you know, like 10. And under, you know, now a lot of them don't necessarily have phones yet. And so by the time they're about 13, they usually have phones, they're on their apps quite a bit, but they're not yet savvy to understand that the game the stalking of the killing fields, that the other child that they're talking to, and having a good time on, you know, whatever app they're on, or whatever game is not another child. It's a 40 or 50 or 60 year old scumbag predatory adult trying to get pictures and video of them and then lower them out of the house. Oh, and by the way, some of these apps geo locate the child. Yeah. And the child is unwitting to it. Yeah. So there predator can be literally sitting outside the house tracking them to not only what houses but what broom in that house they can see like what part of the house that that thing's chirping from and the child has no clue what an easy victims like Bob and a little bunny on the head, throw in the back of a creepy rape van. It's too easy. We have to defend the children, man. So yeah, that's about the age and then, you know, after that the, you know, the the girls and boys get, you know, a little bigger, a little stronger and not maybe as easy to manipulate but so yeah, 12 1314 is right in the middle of it. But of course, it's a much bigger bracket than that. And there are sickos that absolutely take diapers off of infants and rape them. Yeah. And we see those arrests all the time.

Pete Turner  42:48  
Yeah. And is this a Is there a preference for gender or is this doesn't matter boy or girl,

Unknown Speaker  42:54  
they they do have preferences for gender. What I've seen that turned my stomach Frankly, I think it's the most vulgar behavior I've seen is when we put out an ad for a 13 year old boy Yeah. It's like the predators lose all of their standard operating procedures. There's no more cording demeanor or language Yeah, they seem to throw off all of their security and they lose their damn minds and they just come running for the boy it's like this shark and a feeding frenzy right it's the most sickening and despicable thing I don't know it's got to be just pure evil because these people yeah, they just they just want to like I could be there in five minutes and they almost show up at the door with their pants off it's just absolutely despicable.

Pete Turner  43:46  
What do you attribute it? I mean evil of course, but like is this these are people that regular lives a lot of times I mean, you know federal agents right, whatever they these are regular. From all all appearances. A regular person Is this some kind of genetic malfunction or whatever. You attribute this to

Unknown Speaker  44:01  
Well, I think it's a it's a chain of events really like anything else you know disaster never comes because one thing went wrong. It's a series of things go wrong and and it allows that to continue and grow worse until ahead of if you've got a you got a big disaster. So Alfred Kinsey back in the 40s and 50s was a sadomasochistic pedophile, masquerading as a scientist. And he falsified a bunch of studies of child rape, to decide that any manner of screaming or crying or even passing out, or jerking or flinching and all all these things were orgasm, he decided. So that's how sick he was. Yeah. And he was paying child predators to rape children. And he was marking down the results for his studies. And so the Kinsey report is, I mean, the kids The institute is still heavily funded and celebrated to this day. Alfred Kinsey is the father of the sexual revolution, right? But but they don't talk about the fact that his mind was sick that his own gender liberals were mutilated by what he preferred sexually. He was not a healthy man. Yeah. And so he wanted sex with children, by adults to be normal and good, right. And he wanted to be told that he was normal. And so he falsified all of this studies Well, now that he went around very actively politicking state by state all 50 states to our legal system, psychological health haircare system and our educational system. So now, fast forward, several generations later, we've got an epidemic because it's been softball, they've all been made soft to it and like, Oh, it's just a sexual preference. It can be okay. It's the next normal thing. No, it's not it's rape. The child can advocate for themselves. This is radically different than say, to homosexual men that were considered And doing whatever they did in private, right? This is entirely different because the child cannot speak for themselves. So it's not consensual the child is not old enough or developed to give that consent so it can ever be okay for that very specific reason. So that's, that's one aspect of it another aspect, it is absolutely evil. Some of the federal agents that were working on a lot of these big cases that were beginning to tell me about this when I first started learning more about it about five years ago, so Craig, this is different than any case any mafia cases or any cartel cases or anything that that you'll ever see or deal with. When you peel back all the layers of the onion on this one, and you get down to where the rubber really meets the road the darkest depths of it past the all the billions of dollars, right in the criminal enterprise. past all the sexual perversion and past all that just the the the abusive nature of the what's the word I'm looking for the people that get off on Harmon, someone the sadistic nature of it. There is an element of evil that some of these people are on a specific agenda that they believe and they're, they're intentionally evil, okay? And in different cults and things like that a percentage of and there's a, there's a core of these people all across the country, but you know, a lot of them are in Ohio, California in New York. They believe that by doing the unthinkable to God's most precious and innocent, which are the children, right, that they'll get special benefits and powers from the dark side, okay. And, and there'll be somebody in their world the way that they couldn't be unless they did this horrible thing. So there's that and these people are absolutely sick. But But that is the worst of the worst.

Pete Turner  47:54  
It's almost hard to like, except like, it just seems so supernatural. I mean, first And I'm not challenging it. I've just like, it's just so hard to accept that there are people who were doing some kind of demonic, you know, power grab, and to, you know, to accomplish his means and the kids or the I just I struggle to accept that you know, but uh you you are telling me to I mean

Unknown Speaker  48:18  
I've been struggling with it for three years and I do that every day and I'm like, How can this be a thing? Yeah, like you You scumbags you idiots. How? How do you have what has to happen in your life before you devolve all the way down to this being a thing for you right to where you're in some sort of group that you think torturing a child to death buying a child outright? Yeah, for a sum of money and torture him to death in some ceremony is going to get you anything and in the long run, are you are you kidding me? And what kind of pathetic pieces of filth devolve into that I just, I'll never understand it. And

Pete Turner  48:54  
you're talking about now like, if you're buying kids you have means and that means that brings us into like the EPS thing and the Prince Andrew and all these guys that I mean, you know who knows what is happening but you're in this world like you can't buy a kid if you're a broke guy, you know, you're like a Hummer?

Sawman Sawyer  49:12  
Well, you in some ways. So Ms. 13. And all these groups they they're trafficking children out to right and and there's there's every price range according to what the predator the the end user, the client if you will want us so there's scummy motel rooms with a relatively cheap tricks if you will right with kids right? So there's that the filthy street corner level of it. Yeah. And then all the way up to people like Epstein and Weinstein that can afford kind of whatever they want. They fly people to islands and do things that you know they have to fly all the way out there to do it because they don't even dare to It right at their mansions in New York or Beverly Hills because they think, you know, they could still get raided by the police. There's Yeah, right. Yeah. So it's a wide scope of it really there's there's kind of every banner of abuse.

Pete Turner  50:14  
Yeah. It's shocking. Are you guys making progress on this thing? They already feel like this is so much of it or ever Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  50:22  
What what's happening is, you know, if you, I find that if you sit on the sofa in life and you just wish for hope and change now, you're going to grow there and die. Yeah, right there where you sit, right? But if you get up and take action, even if your action isn't perfect, people will see you mean business. And they'll join you. Yeah, maybe this is a bad analogy, but like Forrest Gump went out on his run, that people start following him right. And, and I say that in kind of a self deprecating kind of way, like I got my heart broken, I got ticked off about the abuse of children and I decided to form a mission against it. And I just started taking action. Right? And people saw in that, that I met business, you know, like, this guy's not kidding. For Love of God, let's help him he's, he's up against a big, you know 38 to $50 billion a year criminal enterprise. And let's help him and so now, after I've proven myself and our orgs proven ourselves operationally and with the documentary then now, networks of stronger people with political backing with legal backing with financial backing, or like saw, we've been watching you, brother, and we're proud of you. Yeah. And you're doing good, right? And now we're going to line up with you, and we're going to help you and we're going to bring some assets to bear and this needs to happen. So yeah, we are making progress and there's, you know, there's all manner of things happening, some of them fantastic, and you get your hopes up and it looks like this. Huge winds. Gonna have And then it D materializes. But someone else comes along and that one fault that that one follows through and it comes through and it comes to fruition. And so the machine to safeguard the children is being built and that feels good. Even though the subject is dark and despicable. The sunlight out shines the darkness a thousandfold. And seeing people come together on this does feel good. And it's, it's just a positive thing. So I'm proud of the people for joining me.

Pete Turner  52:28  
If you look at the numbers of kids that experience some kind of abuse, sexual abuse, whatever it is, that means, like, we all know kids that are being abused right now. Like they're, it's just

Unknown Speaker  52:38  
yeah, it's so so. I can't tell you it seems like about one in three. Yeah. Now, because, I mean, we've known we've known of the women you know, they were said it was one in five and then two and five and my wife's like, you know, so many of all her friends that she grew up with both of my wife's right were victims growing up, you know, and their childhood. And so I when I, when I tell people, I mean, I'm talking about feel all walks of life, you know, musicians, politicians, operators, all kinds of people, when they learn what I'm doing, and we're sitting down having dinner somewhere or burning a cigar and we're being real with each other, we're opening up and talking about what really makes us tick. Yeah, they can fight me, Craig, I was abused as a kid and a victim. Oh, my God, you too. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm lucky that I wasn't a victim. I was been the beneficiary of a loving healthy family, and for which I'm very grateful. But I'm realizing more and more and more that that's not normal. That's not the standard. That's that's the exception. Yeah. And so yeah, we've got a lot of people that are dealing with a lot of stuff and it breaks my heart and it ticks me off and it's We got to give kids a fair start in life. Look, there's the life will beat us up enough now as adult, right? There's enough stress, there's enough garbage to wade through, let's just give kids a childhood, an innocent, happy, safe childhood, so that they can arrive at adulthood with a fair chance welfare start, right? Yeah, can we at least do that

Pete Turner  54:21  
I'm working on this project called the prison Chronicles. And we talked to a number of rehabilitated murderers and other criminals. And one of them was abused as a kid. And if not, for that incident, maybe he has a fairly normal hard adulthood. But instead, he took unnecessary risks, wanted to defend other people that were being abused in any kind of way. And ultimately ended up killing somebody, you know, because of this whole damage that he took. And maybe those things aren't 100% overlapping and maybe it is not the reason, but it's sort of not not the reason like yeah, you know, like that kind of, so there's the thing is like, now someone's been doomed to this hard life and then this guy goes to jail for a quarter century. Whatever. You know, yeah, all because of someone else in his life creating this thing. Maybe he was still gonna go on and screw something up but he didn't need that extra rock in his truck, you know?

Unknown Speaker  55:10  
Yeah, well actions have consequences. And what I've learned is that too many people because they were wronged at one point in their life they do wrong to others. Yeah. Rather than be the stronger link that's going to break the cycle and go you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna stop this chain of events. I'm going to be the better man or woman. And it's, it's, it's going to stop with me. And my father was such a man. My father was apparently being beaten to death by his father. When he was five years old. His mother, my grandmother, shot his husband, her husband off of my father. So with a shotgun. My dad grew up To be the most loving and caring, Father anybody could ever want. Yeah. So I, I expected that would be the normal for anybody that was done wrong that they would want to break that cycle. But what I've learned and running operations and dealing with law enforcement for three years now, in this regard, most people seem to just take it out on others instead of being strong enough to break it. So anybody that that that hears this man, I would hope that they would be one to put a stop to it in their life and just safeguard the kids because they're innocent. They don't deserve it.

Pete Turner  56:36  
I want to ask you one more question about cars and everything. And I've got dancing over here with me. Dan, is a longtime resident of this area and a corrections officer police officer. You live in an area that's a border state. And we have all these political conversations, policy conversations, let's say that take the politics and policy conversation about how to control the border like I went to spy school, south of here. There was all you could walk across the border in some places I stood in nako. We got a dog one day we bought a dog and Naco and I had one foot and Mexico, one foot in California. I'm just in the middle of a street. There was no nothing stopping me from doing anything. And now we're like trying to understand this. We know that gangs come across. We know that cartels come across and do business here. You know, nefarious business. What are your thoughts on controlling our borders, or at least attempting to control the borders in places like Texas, Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California?

Sawman Sawyer  57:31  
Well, I think anybody living in a rational adult mind that that's done. International work or or law enforcement work just inherently understands that it's common sense that there's a reason why all sovereign countries patrol and protect their borders, right? It's just really not even a discussion. The only reason it's a discussion is because some radicals that hate our country are trying to force a very dark and corrupt agenda, and they're not looking after the best interest of the American people. So that's almost a non starter conversation. It's a Yeah, it's a no brainer that that we need to have control over access. Yeah. Because we do intend to defend our people and look after their best interests. And we, as an American people have always loved and welcomed immigrants. And there's always been a legal and honorable and respectful system and manner of doing that, that has not changed. The only thing that's changed is a radical element of our society, trying to act like they don't understand the difference between legal and illegal recently, and try to blur the lines and co on some error, you know, reckless and irresponsible, you know, borders agenda, that's, that's that was designed for destruction. And so that's the only reason That's even come up. And just to be clear, I was at Johnny, what do you know Johnny Walker? Yeah. Okay, so Johnny and I are friends. We worked with me just saw him last week.

Pete Turner  59:08  
Yeah, he's my interpreter for a while. So like, I kind of babysat him for you guys in between, like rotations. Okay, so he and I go back almost 20 years now. Right. And I was at a swearing in ceremony. And it's like, whenever people think that like whatever, military folks are conservative and all that kind of thing, and, and that we're anti immigrants. Let me tell you some. There were too loud cheers. The day he got sworn in. They were a whole lot of folks from Mexico that got sworn in. And we were all excited about that. And then they said Johnny's name, and they were probably 100 seals in that room, screaming their heads off. Yeah, well, because we love I always say my fate. My favorite American is the next one. Come on, let's go. You're gonna give it all to come here and go for it. Yeah, do it.

Unknown Speaker  59:47  
He and I. In fact, we talked about that last week. They fought him. The State Department fought him so hard. Yeah, to keep him from coming here. And he had risked his life over And overwritten so many times. Yeah. And just a ridiculous number of times and to prove himself, they should have been begging him to come here and roll out the red carpet. Why were they so combative? Why did they make it so difficult? When there are literally millions of people can walk straight across the desert floor with nobody checking them for diseases, nobody checking them for background or affiliation. They're Chinese, if they're Russian, if they're al Qaeda, if they're ISIS, if their disease with God knows what, no, we don't care about them, but we're going to beat Johnnie Walker to death for years and make him miserable so that he can migrate here after serving our country in a war zone. And and and proving himself beyond all doubt. Yeah, it's a ridiculous situation that needs to change. That's a shameful aspect of how our federal government is run.

Pete Turner  1:00:58  
And for those of you don't know, Johnnie Walker is two There's plenty episodes here and I will tell you this Craig Sawyer went through buds he graduated he's a seal he can always wear a tried it on his chest Johnnie Walker never went through buds wherever he tried on his chest. Because guys like saw man and his peers have all said you are one of us. That's the ultimate citizenship that would never happen to you guys who make Hey Pete, here's a tried No, no, no, you that is earned two ways. One is like do crazy shit. Like Johnny didn't do more seal missions than any seal in Iraq or you go through buds.

Unknown Speaker  1:01:28  
Yeah. And for the locals over there. There's the threat against their own families. Christ. Yeah. So he was hanging it out there by working with us. So there's no God bless. Uh, we love Johnny. So how do people support you, man? Pray for the kids pray for our team and our staff. This is an ugly conflict. We're disrupting a multi billion dollar business. And the crooks do not have any sense of humor about it. There is an element of good versus evil here. That is is really, really powerful and It's a big deal. Go to vets for child rescue, buy our merch, we got t shirts and all kinds of cool stuff. You could donate to fund our mission. We are just a 501 c three nonprofit org. So the only thing that we can do we do with donations. Go to the website, learn more about how this works. Watch for our documentary culture land that's going to be coming out here in just probably several months now. And share the Word with everybody that you know about child sex trafficking, what's going on with it once you learn and then hammer your elected officials please folks, write them call them demand stronger enforcement. For the children, we need to defend the children. We need to get serious about it. Form networks like Pete was talking about. design your own reach out to all your friends and family across the country and say look, let's get smart on this as a network. Instead of playing bridge. Let's capture bad guys that raped children and make the world Better Place with our spare time. How about you and put together a network and start identifying what are the symptoms? What are the signs and start making catalogs and share it with each other. Start photographing videoing and building case files and helping us take predators down. It'd be a beautiful thing.

Pete Turner  1:03:17  
Yeah, and the kids laugh You might say it might be your own.

Sawman Sawyer  1:03:20  
Yes, yeah.