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Dr. Robert Gioia - Getting Fit with Dentist/Doctor Rob Gioia - Dr Rob Gioia is hyper fit. His trainer is our co-host former NFL start Pete Koch. Pete and Pete A Turner host Rob to discuss Rob's passion for fitness...and the big question, why would someone go from being a dentist to being a medical doctor?
The book referenced in this episode is Spark available on Amazon The bottom line for this episode is discussing fitness, health and inspiring a longer-lasting more healthy life. The problem is always the motivation, scheduling and habit-forming activity. Rob and #thePetes pave the path for all of us to get to a more healthy place in 2020. |
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Haiku
Rob is a Dentist
But he’s also a Doctor
He does things two times
Similar episodes:
Eddie Abasolo
Tommy DeLago
Robert Owens
Executive Producer/Intro/: Pete A. Turner
Producer: Damjan Gjorgjiev
Writer: Bojan Spasovski
Join us in supporting Save the Brave by making a monthly donation.
#health #fitness #workout #training #doctor #exercise #epigenetics #podcast #episode #converation #life #bodybuilding
Haiku
Rob is a Dentist
But he’s also a Doctor
He does things two times
Similar episodes:
Eddie Abasolo
Tommy DeLago
Robert Owens
Executive Producer/Intro/: Pete A. Turner
Producer: Damjan Gjorgjiev
Writer: Bojan Spasovski
Transcription
Pete Turner 0:00
Hey everybody its Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of the break it down show. Today's episode By the way, happy Boxing Day to everybody. Today's episode features Dr. Rob Gioia and Dr. Rob is interesting for several reasons one, he's a dentist and has been a dentist for quite some time. Realizing that dentistry wasn't fulfilling um, he decided to go back to medical school and become a family practice doctor. And that is incredible because that's a whole lot of schooling. What Rob does and in addition to that, and you should check out his Instagram it's Dee Dee as to do doctor like dentist to Dr. DDS to do.
Hey everybody its Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of the break it down show. Today's episode By the way, happy Boxing Day to everybody. Today's episode features Dr. Rob Gioia and Dr. Rob is interesting for several reasons one, he's a dentist and has been a dentist for quite some time. Realizing that dentistry wasn't fulfilling um, he decided to go back to medical school and become a family practice doctor. And that is incredible because that's a whole lot of schooling. What Rob does and in addition to that, and you should check out his Instagram it's Dee Dee as to do doctor like dentist to Dr. DDS to do.
Pete Turner 0:00
Hey everybody its Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of the break it down show. Today's episode By the way, happy Boxing Day to everybody. Today's episode features Dr. Rob Gioia and Dr. Rob is interesting for several reasons one, he's a dentist and has been a dentist for quite some time. Realizing that dentistry wasn't fulfilling um, he decided to go back to medical school and become a family practice doctor. And that is incredible because that's a whole lot of schooling. What Rob does and in addition to that, and you should check out his Instagram it's Dee Dee as to do doctor like dentist to Dr. DDS to do. And you will see a hyper fit guy who actually trains with our co host today, Pete Koch, and you guys all know Pete Koch former NFL player played for the chiefs, the bangles, the Raiders. He's been co hosting with me for Gosh well over a year now we've done I don't know well over a dozen episodes together and anytime I get a chance to have an episode with Pete I just I just love it he's become a friend and someone that I value these time and I love sharing these experiences with him. And since we're since we're, you know, in the post holiday you know, season we feast a couple of times with thanksgiving and Hanukkah and Christmas and all that it seemed like it was time to kind of reset our our brains on fitness and health and what we can do you know, and, and if we ask Pete, like, you know, when should I start working out? He's like, best answer was 20 years ago, you know, but now instead, right, right now today, don't wait till the first get moving every day. And there's a number of things that come up in this episode that really highlight that, like just getting out and running a mile, getting out and walking, once a day, all these things start to have an immediate impact. And then as you get better at doing that one thing, you add one bigger thing. So just as we all try to progress and get better at life and try to find time for everything, we have to do it. My goodness, it's so hard. I agree. Maybe this will provide you with some new inspiration and some new vim and vigor. It's the end of the year people are doing their end of the year giving. It is the week of the year when the most people do their most giving. That's what the stats say. So I am asking you please consider save the brave save the brave.org I gotta do is go to the Donate tab and do what you know how to do. It's a really big help. We are going to put this money to work. You've heard me talking about it. You know what I do you know that Scott does and Nick Velez and all of the folks over at save the brave. We're really honored if you consider us if you not sure what to do, and you want to give to somebody else. May I recommend charity on top. Charity on top is a way to give charity as a gift to someone else. And we do a lot of episodes with them. You can look up Kathy and Marshall. You will find their episodes we have one coming up but but just simply go into charity on top.org you can send someone a gift card full of cheer. dollars that they can then redeem. And all of a sudden presto change Oh, you know that charity gets a little bit of money that they never expected to come from and your friend gets to do something that they love to do so charity on top. Hey, listen, I love you guys the shirts are out. Make sure you get them that sale will close in about a week. Get yourself a couple of break it down show shirts or hoodies. I'm going to get some stickers and hats made in January. So hang in there for that as well. As always love you guys. Take care. Have a great new year and Happy Kwanzaa it starts today. Here's Rob joy. Lions rock productions.
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Baxter, Gabby Reese, Rob Bell, this is john young gray
Pete Turner 3:49
and this is Pete a Turner.
Rob Gioia 3:54
This is Rob Gioia and you're listening to the break it down show
Niko Leon Guerrero 3:59
and now the Break it down show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 4:04
Yeah, the Pete's coming at you at Pete and Pete. Pete Koch said to Pete Turner, that's me. He said, Hey, we got to get my buddy Dr. Rob on the show. He's one of my clients and he is a monster. You guys should check him out. d d s to do on Instagram. And you will see right Dr. Rob barely ever wears a shirt. He is in Super shape. I'm gonna kick it over to Pete Kosh and let him go from that.
Pete Koch 4:29
fortuitously, I met Dr. Rob joy. Uh, he reached out to me for some assistance with my online personal training. And you know, I think we struck up a friendship over the last year and a half and he's such a remarkable man and I thought he would be a great guest. It's been my pleasure to get to know him and just to brag on him just a little bit. Here's and just to repeat his how you find him on Instagram, is DDS, the numeral two, and then do and that's dentist today. Doctor, right? So in his case of family medicine doctor, so that's his handle, which is, which is clever. It speaks to exactly what he is Rob joy is a dentist and upright was a practicing dentist for his or his, for a long, long time and then decided he wanted to be a doctor went back to school, and he's a family medicine doctor. And he's also incredibly fit. And absolutely, and I've been telling him this that I think that he ought to, and I always trying to sort of sort of try and do I want to unpack this but he's a fitness leader is a fitness and health and wellness leader, which we could certainly use more of on the family doctor side of things. So thank you for taking your time. Rob, how are you?
Unknown Speaker 5:45
Oh, good. Thanks to that I do. I just wanted to kind of follow in your footsteps and say, I did meet Pete Koch through email and I reached out to him the person personal training and I had used a couple other people but pizza, only one really listened to me and was able to come up with efficient workouts that were not hours in the gym. And I was able to get results with probably less training than I normally had done with other people. So I appreciated that as I was a resident at the time. So I was working like 60 to 80 hours a week. And so I continue to use Pete every now and then I appreciate that
Pete Koch 6:22
I really do. And it's so and it's given us a chance to get to know each other over the phone. We've never met in person, but I'd like to just kind of do a quick but an overview so folks can know this whole thing started for you in Canada, right? You're Canadian, and just tell me a little bit about two things. Here's what I just quickly unpack, or Don't be so quick because I find that quite interesting because in this world more times than not somebody is either more of a jock or they're more of a scientist and the two don't really cross paths very often, but you were a kid, I think interested in sports and I think at some level in athletics, but also tell me about I suppose at some point you were bitten by like the chemistry bug right and how did not have just your those formative years like through high school? How did that work out for you?
Unknown Speaker 7:18
Yeah, I think so. I was always a short kid, like I was to eighth grade, like 13. I was four, seven, maybe 90 pounds. And I'm from Sioux Sainte Marie Ontario. So it's a big hockey city. And you know, my dad didn't want me to play hockey because I was so small on debt hurt. So I ended up I was a gymnast for about seven years. And that's how I got interested in basically strength training and like fitness, but I was always pretty good in school. So I enjoyed science and stuff like that. So I never really thought of doing anything other than a medical profession. Hey, this
Pete Turner 7:55
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Unknown Speaker 8:19
I never really thought of doing anything other than a medical profession. So first dentistry I thought would be a better fit for me. But after 10 years of doing that I thought like I can help people with their health better through family medicine. And I could use my love for fitness and weight training and nutrition better with with the medicine background.
Pete Koch 8:42
So did you go to undergrad in Canada?
Unknown Speaker 8:44
Yeah, I did my undergraduate in London, Ontario called Western University now and was there for about four years and then I moved to Milwaukee to do their dental program at Marquette and then I end up at Michigan. Staying after for medical school.
Pete Koch 9:03
Got it and where were you? that decade where you were simply practicing dentistry? Where was that? Where were you
Unknown Speaker 9:11
yet? Yeah, it was split in a few places. I did a year in Milwaukee. And then I moved back to Canada sustain Murray for about eight. Yeah, take those eight years and then back to London, Ontario for, I guess the final year when I knew I was going to go back to medical school. So I had sold my practice and just work for somebody temporarily.
Pete Koch 9:34
And what was required of you to get into medical I mean, you had to get into medical school just because you don't have a
Rob Gioia 9:43
dental degree doesn't mean you're just going to let you into their school right. So do I did you go and take the study for the MCAT and do that the normal route exactly right period, I had to do the MCAT I didn't have to take any of the prerequisite courses because I had them all from dental school, but I I still had to do the MCAT. And that was actually a pretty big barrier because I was out of school for 15 years already. So I had a pretty average score, but Michigan State, I went to their osteopathic medicine program, so they kind of saw the big picture of who I was. And you know, give me a chance. So
Pete Koch 10:22
that, oh, yeah, so that was that that's all you needed was one medical school, let's say, Come on. Right. And you were you were all right.
Unknown Speaker 10:29
Yep.
Pete Turner 10:31
Can we back up a touch though? I mean, it's one thing that I thought I can help people more as a family practice, Doctor, but when you approach the people around you that you know, help you make decisions, and maybe you make your own decision, but that's crazy. You already have this great career. You've already gone through a challenging MediCal program. How do you get are so motivated or so uncomfortable that you can? This is not a small leap? It's hard.
Unknown Speaker 10:54
Yeah, you're right. And I guess I should back up a little bit but so back in like I was around 32 years old, I was kind of getting out of shape and start to get more interested in in fitness and started running and I, you know, did one of those Beachbody programs p90x and gotten a lot better shape. In the meantime, I was reading a little bit and came across this book. And I'll plug my friend but it's called better than steroids. His name's Dr. juan williams. He's the deal. And I kind of reached out to him like I did with Peter over email and ended up going to visit his practice out in Pocatello, Idaho. It's a little city in southeast Idaho, and he was giving me some lectures like how you would train physician for weight loss and preventive medicine and after the first thing is like, Oh, you should be at the and I'm like, I can't do that. I'm already like 34 years old and but I always thought about that and then the next month when I got back I'm like it's right. I think I'm more suited to do something like that. And I knew I could do it like I was pretty good with didactic and in school type. stuff, but it was more of like getting the funding and loans again, which was a little bit of a barrier, but I figured that it would be worth it in the end. And so far it's been pretty good to me. So
Pete Koch 12:11
from that point when you finish medical school and what were you thinking from the beginning that you wanted to practice general medicine, you know, where you which I know is really where you can meet the most people and I think have the most impact was at the plan all along. Yeah, the plan all along was to do family medicine.
Unknown Speaker 12:31
And then three, a third or fourth year training, you do rotations through all different specialties. So they'll do a month in anesthesia month in urology or whatever. And, you know, I interviewed for a few spots of Internal Medicine, which is basically like family medicine a little bit different, but I always felt that the programs where I got along with the people and for the family medicine programs, so that's how I decided to take that path and just For the audience, so lay medical students pick their specialty as they apply to a bunch of different programs. And then in January, they make a list of hospitals or programs they want to go to. And then the hospitals make a list. So it's kind of like a matching game. And then you just end up where the your match list kind of matches a hospitalist. So it's a
Pete Koch 13:24
quite the ordeal. And that's how you ended up. I think when I first met you, that's how you ended up in Pennsylvania.
Rob Gioia 13:31
Right? Yeah, I ended up in New York, Pennsylvania, small city and so central Pennsylvania, but it's pretty close to Philadelphia and Baltimore. So it has a lot of bigger cities around it.
Pete Koch 13:42
Mm hmm. We required I suppose. Maybe not so much legally. But by your schedule as you were going through medical school and then after all that your residency were you practicing any dentistry?
Unknown Speaker 13:57
No, I wasn't. I was. I maintain a life Simply dentistry and actually the state of Wisconsin I maintain it, but I haven't practiced dentistry for about eight years now. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it would, it would have been too hard, like to study and continue to work up.
Pete Koch 14:14
One thing I, before we sort of move off to the minute the medical side of things, though is I remember of reading or something that you have historically done some charitable, you know, taking your, your dental skill to other countries and done some, like pro bono dentistry. Is that right?
Unknown Speaker 14:36
Yeah, that was last year through our medical residency. They do a couple of trips to Guatemala to do medicine and they didn't have a dentist for this particular trip and they typically didn't have one so I volunteered to do good dental portion of it. And it was a lot of fun. It was pretty rewarding to because the, you know, the patients are immediately gratified when you Take out a tooth that hurts for them and take something that's broken. So yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Pete Koch 15:06
That's awesome. I mean, was there any any anxiety because you hadn't practiced in some years?
Unknown Speaker 15:12
Yeah, I think so a little bit. But once I got started with the first few people, it was like riding a bicycle. So
Pete Koch 15:19
that is a great story. I love that story. And you could do the doctoring at this at the same time. But now that's it. That's, that's, I love that story. At what point along this path that took you up to just last year? Did you really mean I don't know. Maybe it was was starting in high school, but when did you really embrace strength training? And folks, go ahead and take a look at Dr. Joy at on his Instagram page or, and you can see the kind of fantastic condition is this is a family medicine doctor that's in his 40s and he's leading from the front and when did you really start to embrace that the strength training
Unknown Speaker 16:01
Yeah probably started wanting to weightlifting when I was 14. Just a local YMCA. And probably like most people into weightlifting bought those muscle Max and some of the some of the people I looked up to were like Mike mentor, and we were talking about yesterday Dave, Dave Draper, all these people that lifted heavy and were pretty massive and strong. So throughout, I guess it'll be like 30 years now coming up. I've been in the gym and probably doing more or less strength training but with variation and you're helping me with that kind of get things changed up and stuff like that. But yeah, it's been 30 years I've been in the gym so early adopter in it, and it never stopped. Yeah,
Pete Koch 16:51
that that's the important thing. I get emails all the time from people that say, Hey, you know, I saw you working out on social media. And there's, I'm your age, and a boy and I always said, Boy, I used to be so fit and I played this or that in college, and I kept on when I was working out into my 30s. And then the some fill in right excuse, you know, I got married, you know, whatever. And I hadn't worked out for 15 years and you know, feel like I'm lost, like, Can you help me? The answer is, yeah, I can help you. But it's a little bit like that question is if somebody says somebody says, an adult, says, Hey, when's the best time for me to start working out? Oh, boy. Again, this is someone who's out of shape and not working out. It was the best. Yeah, basically, this start working out is today. Right? Right. Right. I go I go a little bit more if I can be a little bit snarky, and you know, in their in their 45. And I could say the best time to have started working out was 20 years ago. Yeah, since that didn't happen. And we we haven't invented a time. Machine yet, the answers today, right?
Pete Turner 18:04
That's a big note to it when you have to have always carved out that time out of your schedules, you know, you guys, you guys do that it's part of what you do, you know, you don't have a 24 hour day you have a 23 hour day because you're always going to work out. And as a middle aged guy, just it gets tough to keep up with life and do this. But, you know, this is the second show we've done today with people talking about, you know, getting our bodies back into back together and taking care of the system, you know, whether you're, you know, bringing in peptides or epigenetics or any of these things. It's a whole system and if you want to keep moving, and eQp you've talked about this quite a bit. You want to keep moving past the age 60 you've got to do something. And then there's basically there's no human that doesn't have a significant life event from 55 to 62. Like everybody has some kind of, you know, redefined of what being alive isn't a significant scare.
Unknown Speaker 19:02
Yeah. Whether it's mental health or something with their own physical well being I agree with you. And like Pete said, life happens and they stop working out but life happens for everybody. So whether it's you know, going back to medical school or studying 12 hours a day, still have to make time for yourself if you want to be able to do the things you want to do and age, gracefully.
Pete Koch 19:28
You know, my friend Pete Turner's heard me speak of him, Dr. Robert Ising. In the calm Dr. H, and he's a doctor of some renown and he's a internal medicine doc here in Beverly Hills. I played for the Los Angeles Raiders and you know, the Oakland Raiders, for those that don't follow football that closely. They were the Oakland Raiders for decades. Then they moved to an 80s and 90s. They moved to Los Angeles and then they went back to Oakland. Well during that span in the late 80s. I played for the Los Angeles Raiders with how we long and Marcus Allen and those guys and Dr. Robert Hi. Zynga was the team doctor. And he's very fit himself and he went to Michigan undergrad, and he was an all American wrestler at Michigan. And he continues to be very, very fit. He's in his 60s. Now, one of the things that I've learned from him, I've learned a great deal about physical fitness and weight loss and managing these things. And he says that he can't explain it. But he feels like when he works out for an hour, he gets an extra hour of productivity out of his day, just a math add up. Not exactly. But then on the days that he doesn't work out. He feels like he gets less production from this day. So it's the damnedest thing. What is it's one it's a very powerful point that that animates and to make sure that he does get up and he's got that in his he doesn't wait for the time to work out. It's in his schedule. I could tell you because I only because I've worked out with him and I know him so well I could tell you his schedule and tell you what he works out. But it doesn't matter that what how would how he makes it work in his life doesn't matter, the time of day that I work out, it might be of some interest of people. But the fact is you have to make it work for yourself. And that includes all lead to social implications, the motivational implications. In my case, I can tell people that what's a very, what's very helpful to me is having a training partner that I, I trained with, probably 70% of the time, and it makes a difference to me, but it's hard. It's hard to find a training partner that means somebody you need to be on each other's schedules. But again, I'm not that to take it such a deep dive into the social part of it, but figure out what works for you. That includes what type of gym you like, what type of exercise you like, but find something that you do that that that resonates with you and makes you feel good and go ahead please it in your schedule. And that's then now you're on your way. And if you're a little bit lucky, you'll be like Dr. Huizenga, who says this makes me feel like it makes me literally makes me more productive. That can you does that resonate with you With you, Doc?
Unknown Speaker 22:17
Yeah, like 100% and you know, even working out through medical school I would find, and I was driving 20 minutes to the gym because I lived in Detroit and there was no real gems in that area. And I would drive to like a suburb 20 minutes. So even 20 minutes there, 40 minutes a gym, 20 minutes back, kind of losing an hour and 20 minutes and travel and stuff. But way I could focus and study when I got back was, you know, much better than if I would have just stayed at home and did whatever. So, I agree. 100% and I can't remember the name of the book right now. But there is a book where there was a School teacher that had his kids run like in I think it was a mile in the morning before class and found that they did had better school performance and
Pete Koch 23:10
stuff like that. So yeah, this for sure there's a lot of In fact, I have that book I just can't i can't walk away. No, I can't. And, and that the the doctor that that wrote that did a lot of research on the reaction of the sort of not only a chemical, but there's also sort of a gene switching reaction in the brain that's in kids especially but grown ups to that's caused by exercise. This. I'm a CrossFit coach and I used to own a CrossFit gym and, and however you feel about CrossFit, look, one of the very smart things that Greg Glassman, the founder of CrossFit did was he became an early adopter to how important exercise was with kids And he was getting in lockstep with the with the scientists that were showing through studies that kids who exercise it had a physiological and a powerful physiological influence on their brains, and it made them study better. So they there's a program within CrossFit, a sub program that some of the CrossFit gyms not all offer. It's called CrossFit kids. And these are specially certified CrossFit coaches that teach and many of these schools, I will, I will tell you that they not only teach exercise, how to teach kids how to exercise safely. And for example, if they're really young kids like 567, the class might be only 20 minutes. It's just so you know, they're not putting adult CrossFit workouts on to kids. It's not that at all. It's it's very carefully sort of modified according to their age and ability. There's actually some CrossFit gyms out there that have a like a study hall attached to it, where kids can actually come there. After school, get exercise, and then stay, you know, the parents pay a fee. And then they stay in there have a supervised place to study at the gym, and the kids are thriving when they do this.
Unknown Speaker 25:12
I think it's brilliant. That's a great idea. And actually the book The name of the book is Spark.
Pete Koch 25:18
Yes, yes. I'm picturing the yellow,
Rob Gioia 25:21
white, yellow and the orange. Yeah. Very good Spark.
Pete Turner 25:25
Hey, Rob, I want to ask. So one thing is, is as a dentist who's now a doctor, how does that inform your practice like in my mind, when you say open up and say, you're like odd? No. Like, you know, as you look at the teeth, but it does it like does there's some other way that the one informs the other? And then to as a family practice, guy, I know you give out good advice. But what have you learned about getting advice? That's actually you know, when they come back the next visit or like, oh, man, I put it to work and now I've changed my life.
Unknown Speaker 25:57
Yeah. For your first question about how Look at being a dentist dentist prior affects me being a doctor not so much when I do an oral exam because I do look at everyone's mouth but if people come in with headaches or near pain or I feel like I have a broader differential of what the problem could be and just the other day I noticed somebody had the fillings and they were having ear pain and you know their ears like normal but I'm like have you had to fight check that and she was like, No, and so I sent it back to the dentist to get the bike check because that can cause your pain and job pain and from the stuff she was talking about. So even with headaches too if you know if someone has had problems grinding their teeth or recent dental work, it can definitely cause headache. So that's that's how I guess I could answer your first question. And then the second question.
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Unknown Speaker 27:07
And then the second question, unfortunately, given our time constraints, that part of my process is probably minimal. But I do ask patients of what they think they can do to change their life, or what they think they can do for exercise in terms of my goal setting, especially patients with diabetes or wanting to lose weight, that's a huge component of their transformation to getting healthier. And a lot of the times you really just have to find out what their goal is or what they would like to see change about them and then kind of help them pick one thing you know, one thing they think they can do that will help and then having them come back frequently to see how they're doing will help them stay on track. Also, I try to stay in good shape partly so my patients can see that, you know, it can be done. And leading by example. I always think there's a good A good way to go about doing things.
Pete Koch 28:01
Doc, what about social media? And I love the fact that you're you're posting there. And I'm hoping that people will take a moment if you're on Instagram to go in and follow you, and pay attention to what you're doing and be inspired by, is this something that you're hoping to build on? It feels like, and I've said this to you, that there's a place for you. Absolutely. Where you can be a leader, that rare individual, let's, that's a doctor that can take care of you. But the incredible power of the medicine of exercise, and proper nutrition is something that you want to physically show people, the result of it. And the work you put in on your own body. Is this something you're looking to sort of increase your platform?
Unknown Speaker 28:51
Yeah, absolutely. And I think you know, social media nowadays has opened the doors to meeting so many new people. I mean, that's how I met you. I think I saw a couple of you're making your better 30 seconds at a time videos and breaking it down with Pete Koch. And that's how I ended up kind of not really meeting you, but knowing what you were about before I emailed you. So if I could do that with Instagram, that's great. And, you know, I truly believe that exercise is the best medicine it's the most cost effective medicine. If you watch a few YouTube 23 and a half hours, there's a Canadian physician, Dr. Mike Evans, he does a little like whiteboard drawing about 14 minutes long. And he cites studies about how medicine helps with all these, you know, ailments depression, heart disease, high blood pressure, even studies, there was a study in Japan that people who walk I think was like 12 minutes a day, their blood pressure improved, and even people who exercise but are still overweight, they saw better health outcomes. So definitely I would like to build upon that. I definitely think adding more medicine to somebody you know, certain medicines are essential for people but medicine on top of medicine you know I think exercise and proper nutrition can help take care of a lot of things medicines can
Pete Koch 30:11
i love it i mean i can read as many articles like crazy that that state the things that you've just stated but in fact I'm just looking at my email folder right now because I what I ended up what I end up doing is is emailing myself things that I see and here it is. I like to say here I found an article lead said and this is pretty obvious but but it's interesting because it was a large study done in a in a just had sedentary people just walk one day a week and measured here even running I'm so this was actually running even running just one there was a when Yahoo News, even just running one time a week can significantly lower your risk of death. So Going to even one time a week will enhance or or let you phrase it properly improve your things like your lipid profile your your blood profile here has the potential to have an impact on your resting heart rate and blood pressure these things that are important biomarkers that a doctor like you This is the sort of the nuts and bolts of how you're gauging someone's health, correct?
Unknown Speaker 31:26
Yeah, that's right. And absolutely like you're saying, exercise has been shown to improve the HDL which is the good cholesterol or protective cholesterol. So a lot of my counseling if someone comes in with a lower HDL is to start exercising or like increase their amount of exercising.
Pete Turner 31:45
Hey, Doc, when you on Instagram and you're seeing Pete Koch doing all the things he's doing he look, here's the thing for everybody listening. First off, go check out Pete's videos because they're inspirational. And it's not just Pete throwing around Olympic weights. He's hiking. He's He's doing push up. He's like, there's a zillion things he's doing what moves you Dr grab the computer and talk to Pete Koch and say I need some of what you got. I mean, you're already in fantastic shape. What do you see with what he does that inspires you to change what you're doing even by a little bit?
Unknown Speaker 32:19
Well, even with what I see and what I just been talking to him, you can see that he has a true passion for this and even just our emails, he's always reading and like trying to find research and talking to people in the field and trying to you know, just improve his already like, great knowledge of the of the subject of exercise and nutrition. And you're right, his videos are inspirational. So I love watching them and then I love getting my advice from him. But he actually listened you know, if you send him an email and tell him I only have like a half an hour a day in the gym and all I can do he just sent me a new workout plan and I'm I did try to have them I'm going to start next week for like to do it, but I finished in a half an hour Exactly. And I felt great. So, you know, I think he really listens to you and he knows what he's talking about. Well, I appreciate that
Pete Koch 33:10
I've learned the hard way. Because I've been at this a long time that it's simple to write a program that's got bunches of fancy sexy exercises using medicine balls and jump ropes and dumbbells and bands and all this great sexy stuff that we see on that, you know, fitness experts using OR LEGIT experts using on social media but to organize it in such a way and and condense it so that a real working person with a real job can get that done in a timeframe that they've in your case you quoted to me as being 30 minutes. That's a little bit of a trick. So I appreciate you pointing that out to me because it's that wasn't something that came naturally to me. I just at the beginning used to write all kinds of in think why aren't Fancy trainer, look at all these sexy exercises and I told you to do, that's not the practical way to accomplish anything. In fact, it's, it's a, it's a disaster. So I appreciate that. And as we get a little bit closer to the, to the end of this conversation, Doc is it when we were talking last week, I, I kind of said, you know, tongue in cheek, I said to you, I was saying it really admire the things that you you accomplished. You know, if you become a dentist or a doctor, you're pretty much a rock star, you know, we kind of lump in lawyers and kind of make, you know, an engineer and we kind of lump them together. And as a society, we say, wow, that person is really, really, really accomplished. That's really special. We've done two of these to these things right at the top of everybody's list, and I was kind of teasing you and I said, Well, you know what's next? Come on. What's next. And and you said Well, you know, I'm just in this work at this one hospital and I'm in a contract. And you know, I got a deal with them. And I love it. But I, you know, we're committed to each other for I don't know, maybe I think two years and whatever it was that you said, and then what I'm already thinking about it, and I was like, Well hold it, hold it a second, but I didn't, I didn't seize it. But you were like, you're already thinking what's next? And I don't know how I don't want to get to, you know, deep into your personal business. Because I was saying this to Pete Turner before you got on and joined us in the conversation. And I said, Who the hell knows with this guy? He might decide he wants to be an architect and go back to school and design hospitals. I mean, I don't know what you know, but but I'll ask you Well, you know, what do you what do you thinking what would you like to share?
Unknown Speaker 35:49
I'm not going to go back to school be an architect or anything of that matter, but I but I do. I really like why I'm working right now. I like the office. I'm basically But I still want to expand my knowledge more on strength training, there's the CFCs certification, which I'll do, probably in the next six months or so I've got that. And then just, you know, focus more on kind of the same things you're focusing on, you know, health and through exercise and nutrition. There's other courses, like through a 4am. And there they called functional medicine. And that's basically more along the lines and some of your other, you know, physician friends that you talked to have had that training and more on like health optimization, rather than we see a lot of times in the US it's kind of reactive medicine with somebody sick, you have to, you know, you're trying to help them get better whereas, you know, this functional medicine is more preventing the illness in the first place.
Pete Koch 36:49
So I think that's the direction I'd like to take my practice and knowledge base towards it makes perfect sense to me. And I'll add this in case you didn't know but The nsca there's a lot of acronyms. For folks that don't know the national strength conditioning Association, their highest credential is called the CSCs, which is a certified strength and conditioning specialist, I am certified through them. If you watch the if you're ever watching an NFL game or Major League Baseball, they all have strength coaches, as you could imagine, and they're all basically CSCs because that's that's the highest credential. And that might be good, but I'll mention this to you. I don't know if you knew this, but I'm also a CrossFit level. One coach and CrossFit program a few years ago, introduced a program where you could be certified to become a level one coach, but it's got a special educational protocol. And it's only it's an it's like an exclusive club. Only medical doctors and these indios are allowed to go through this program and it's a special bit of education and certification, to need the The idea was, and I could I could direct you to a podcast where Greg Greg Glassman talks to a world class. There's this woman I'm blanking on her name was Julie forshay. Just a quick little history in CrossFit Julie foo Shay is a was probably a little bit offer game right now. But eight years ago, she was the number two number two in the world the number two crossfitter in the world that it was a second fittest. She came in second at the CrossFit Games while she was in medical school, when she competed in the games, and the training is unbelievable. And she was in medical school. Well since then. She's graduated and she's a family medicine doctor now. And she's like in her early 30s. She's in Ohio. And Julie foo Shay has also has a podcast and recently I was listening to her and she was interviewing Greg Glassman, and they were unpacking a little bit of this special CrossFit level one coaching certification, expressly and exclusively for Medical Doctors so you might be interested in checking that out.
Unknown Speaker 39:03
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And just to further on further kind of expand upon that last weekend, I was just in Lancaster, Pennsylvania for a family medicine, kind of like education series and they actually they had introduction to CrossFit as part of their one of their seminars in the morning. So I think it is it's starting to catch on as being well definitely a medical exercises medicine. So I've been across it a little bit. I think it's a it's a great way to, I'm all about efficiency in the gym. So it's a good way to get an efficient workout and then move on with the rest of your life. So Good,
Pete Koch 39:38
good. Well, I like the way you're thinking into, you know, just to pile on some more education but of all the major certifying bodies on that, that educate fitness pros like me, out of all of them, this is in CrossFit a little bit I understand on the sort of my The outside looking in compared to some of these bigger educational companies because because CrossFit had the because there are something like 16,000 CrossFit gyms and because people look at them like a, it looks a little weird and a little dangerous, but the fact is I far as I know, they're the only education certifying and education company that's embraced the idea of certifying people in the medical community, specifically to at their level of education. I think it's brilliant, because I've been blessed to have my doctor being Rob. Hi, Zynga. I live here in Los Angeles. So I've always he's always been my doctor and he's a friend. But I'm very fortunate to have a doctor that is leading from the front and if he ever had a problem, Rob want you to be my doctor. Because when when that I don't, I don't think Know how if every how many people exactly understand the, to the magnitude, this is my judgment, the magnitude of a medical doctor who was coupled that with the discipline and know how to create an outstanding level of physical fitness within their own organism, their own self. And that's that's an impressive thing. And that's it. That's an that's an elite club, and you're in it and and that, that that's a powerful signal that you send out to the entire world.
Pete Turner 41:34
Now, Rob, let me say to you to that, as we're a lot of new with all of these things. I mean, you're an inspiration to I mean, obviously Pete works hard at getting folks to get up and get moving. But so to you, and all of us out here who aren't doing it and most of us aren't, you know, we need folks like you guys to encourage us that hey, now is the time to start walking once a week is certainly an attainable goal. And you build from there. I mean, it's one thing Look at you know, either of you guys with shirts off and go god damn, I'll never get there. But that isn't the point. The point is the journey building got discipline getting in the gym every day, eating better, you know, doing whatever you can to take care of your organism is it all starts with the beginning and some stick to itiveness. And we'll all find our own level of fitness and health. And, heck, I'm doing my best to do it through swimming and trying to eat better, but I get it. It's a slog. It's hard, but guys like you are the ones that make it possible. And I just from all of us out here, I appreciate you doing what you do to keep keep us online. Heck, the both of you. I appreciate both you guys.
Pete Koch 42:36
Appreciate you. Thanks.
Unknown Speaker 42:39
And thanks. And you said it right exactly. Like you just need to do what's good for you. Do your best at trying to move every day and you know better and once you start seeing some results. It'll just build upon itself and you'll get into a routine that that works for you.
Pete Koch 42:57
I like it. No, I mean I was just gonna say doc that I think that was just like a perfect way to wrap up an hour. That's been really a pleasure for me to unpack some of these questions that I've had since since I've known you and to have you know kind of have people put a voice behind the man you know that I wish that they would look for you on Instagram at DDS to do dentist a doctor. So great or just find Rob joy Gi Oh I A Rob joy on LinkedIn and just become a part of your family and spread the word I believe it was. Stephen Covey, one of those money manager guys that went went to Harvard, my trying to think of and several years ago, it was the bald headed guy went to Peter or maybe was Peter Drucker, one of those guys and he said, the three most important people and adult is going to take through their lives. I mean, if you want to live a real grown up Life. The three most important people are a medical doctor, an accountant slash Wealth Management person, and a mechanic, an auto mechanic. The third one is, is the one that makes you smile and you go, Oh yeah, boy, I wish I renew a really good mechanic instead of God, how much did I just pay for that? You know that, that gas filter, whatever, but listen to medical doctor is number one and to get to align yourself with one for the work that we're in is for the rest of our lives. That's that's powerful thing. And, and good for you for all that you've you've, you know, put into yourself. You've paid it into yourself to be the best doctor, you can be much respect.
Thanks a lot.
Pete Turner 44:47
Thanks, Rob. Thanks for coming on the show. We really appreciate you.
Rob Gioia 44:50
Yeah, thanks for inviting me.
Hey everybody its Pete a Turner, executive producer and host of the break it down show. Today's episode By the way, happy Boxing Day to everybody. Today's episode features Dr. Rob Gioia and Dr. Rob is interesting for several reasons one, he's a dentist and has been a dentist for quite some time. Realizing that dentistry wasn't fulfilling um, he decided to go back to medical school and become a family practice doctor. And that is incredible because that's a whole lot of schooling. What Rob does and in addition to that, and you should check out his Instagram it's Dee Dee as to do doctor like dentist to Dr. DDS to do. And you will see a hyper fit guy who actually trains with our co host today, Pete Koch, and you guys all know Pete Koch former NFL player played for the chiefs, the bangles, the Raiders. He's been co hosting with me for Gosh well over a year now we've done I don't know well over a dozen episodes together and anytime I get a chance to have an episode with Pete I just I just love it he's become a friend and someone that I value these time and I love sharing these experiences with him. And since we're since we're, you know, in the post holiday you know, season we feast a couple of times with thanksgiving and Hanukkah and Christmas and all that it seemed like it was time to kind of reset our our brains on fitness and health and what we can do you know, and, and if we ask Pete, like, you know, when should I start working out? He's like, best answer was 20 years ago, you know, but now instead, right, right now today, don't wait till the first get moving every day. And there's a number of things that come up in this episode that really highlight that, like just getting out and running a mile, getting out and walking, once a day, all these things start to have an immediate impact. And then as you get better at doing that one thing, you add one bigger thing. So just as we all try to progress and get better at life and try to find time for everything, we have to do it. My goodness, it's so hard. I agree. Maybe this will provide you with some new inspiration and some new vim and vigor. It's the end of the year people are doing their end of the year giving. It is the week of the year when the most people do their most giving. That's what the stats say. So I am asking you please consider save the brave save the brave.org I gotta do is go to the Donate tab and do what you know how to do. It's a really big help. We are going to put this money to work. You've heard me talking about it. You know what I do you know that Scott does and Nick Velez and all of the folks over at save the brave. We're really honored if you consider us if you not sure what to do, and you want to give to somebody else. May I recommend charity on top. Charity on top is a way to give charity as a gift to someone else. And we do a lot of episodes with them. You can look up Kathy and Marshall. You will find their episodes we have one coming up but but just simply go into charity on top.org you can send someone a gift card full of cheer. dollars that they can then redeem. And all of a sudden presto change Oh, you know that charity gets a little bit of money that they never expected to come from and your friend gets to do something that they love to do so charity on top. Hey, listen, I love you guys the shirts are out. Make sure you get them that sale will close in about a week. Get yourself a couple of break it down show shirts or hoodies. I'm going to get some stickers and hats made in January. So hang in there for that as well. As always love you guys. Take care. Have a great new year and Happy Kwanzaa it starts today. Here's Rob joy. Lions rock productions.
Unknown Speaker 3:38
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and this is Jordan. Dexter from the naked me Sebastian youngsters, Rick maronna. Stewart
Unknown Speaker 3:46
Baxter, Gabby Reese, Rob Bell, this is john young gray
Pete Turner 3:49
and this is Pete a Turner.
Rob Gioia 3:54
This is Rob Gioia and you're listening to the break it down show
Niko Leon Guerrero 3:59
and now the Break it down show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 4:04
Yeah, the Pete's coming at you at Pete and Pete. Pete Koch said to Pete Turner, that's me. He said, Hey, we got to get my buddy Dr. Rob on the show. He's one of my clients and he is a monster. You guys should check him out. d d s to do on Instagram. And you will see right Dr. Rob barely ever wears a shirt. He is in Super shape. I'm gonna kick it over to Pete Kosh and let him go from that.
Pete Koch 4:29
fortuitously, I met Dr. Rob joy. Uh, he reached out to me for some assistance with my online personal training. And you know, I think we struck up a friendship over the last year and a half and he's such a remarkable man and I thought he would be a great guest. It's been my pleasure to get to know him and just to brag on him just a little bit. Here's and just to repeat his how you find him on Instagram, is DDS, the numeral two, and then do and that's dentist today. Doctor, right? So in his case of family medicine doctor, so that's his handle, which is, which is clever. It speaks to exactly what he is Rob joy is a dentist and upright was a practicing dentist for his or his, for a long, long time and then decided he wanted to be a doctor went back to school, and he's a family medicine doctor. And he's also incredibly fit. And absolutely, and I've been telling him this that I think that he ought to, and I always trying to sort of sort of try and do I want to unpack this but he's a fitness leader is a fitness and health and wellness leader, which we could certainly use more of on the family doctor side of things. So thank you for taking your time. Rob, how are you?
Unknown Speaker 5:45
Oh, good. Thanks to that I do. I just wanted to kind of follow in your footsteps and say, I did meet Pete Koch through email and I reached out to him the person personal training and I had used a couple other people but pizza, only one really listened to me and was able to come up with efficient workouts that were not hours in the gym. And I was able to get results with probably less training than I normally had done with other people. So I appreciated that as I was a resident at the time. So I was working like 60 to 80 hours a week. And so I continue to use Pete every now and then I appreciate that
Pete Koch 6:22
I really do. And it's so and it's given us a chance to get to know each other over the phone. We've never met in person, but I'd like to just kind of do a quick but an overview so folks can know this whole thing started for you in Canada, right? You're Canadian, and just tell me a little bit about two things. Here's what I just quickly unpack, or Don't be so quick because I find that quite interesting because in this world more times than not somebody is either more of a jock or they're more of a scientist and the two don't really cross paths very often, but you were a kid, I think interested in sports and I think at some level in athletics, but also tell me about I suppose at some point you were bitten by like the chemistry bug right and how did not have just your those formative years like through high school? How did that work out for you?
Unknown Speaker 7:18
Yeah, I think so. I was always a short kid, like I was to eighth grade, like 13. I was four, seven, maybe 90 pounds. And I'm from Sioux Sainte Marie Ontario. So it's a big hockey city. And you know, my dad didn't want me to play hockey because I was so small on debt hurt. So I ended up I was a gymnast for about seven years. And that's how I got interested in basically strength training and like fitness, but I was always pretty good in school. So I enjoyed science and stuff like that. So I never really thought of doing anything other than a medical profession. Hey, this
Pete Turner 7:55
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Unknown Speaker 8:19
I never really thought of doing anything other than a medical profession. So first dentistry I thought would be a better fit for me. But after 10 years of doing that I thought like I can help people with their health better through family medicine. And I could use my love for fitness and weight training and nutrition better with with the medicine background.
Pete Koch 8:42
So did you go to undergrad in Canada?
Unknown Speaker 8:44
Yeah, I did my undergraduate in London, Ontario called Western University now and was there for about four years and then I moved to Milwaukee to do their dental program at Marquette and then I end up at Michigan. Staying after for medical school.
Pete Koch 9:03
Got it and where were you? that decade where you were simply practicing dentistry? Where was that? Where were you
Unknown Speaker 9:11
yet? Yeah, it was split in a few places. I did a year in Milwaukee. And then I moved back to Canada sustain Murray for about eight. Yeah, take those eight years and then back to London, Ontario for, I guess the final year when I knew I was going to go back to medical school. So I had sold my practice and just work for somebody temporarily.
Pete Koch 9:34
And what was required of you to get into medical I mean, you had to get into medical school just because you don't have a
Rob Gioia 9:43
dental degree doesn't mean you're just going to let you into their school right. So do I did you go and take the study for the MCAT and do that the normal route exactly right period, I had to do the MCAT I didn't have to take any of the prerequisite courses because I had them all from dental school, but I I still had to do the MCAT. And that was actually a pretty big barrier because I was out of school for 15 years already. So I had a pretty average score, but Michigan State, I went to their osteopathic medicine program, so they kind of saw the big picture of who I was. And you know, give me a chance. So
Pete Koch 10:22
that, oh, yeah, so that was that that's all you needed was one medical school, let's say, Come on. Right. And you were you were all right.
Unknown Speaker 10:29
Yep.
Pete Turner 10:31
Can we back up a touch though? I mean, it's one thing that I thought I can help people more as a family practice, Doctor, but when you approach the people around you that you know, help you make decisions, and maybe you make your own decision, but that's crazy. You already have this great career. You've already gone through a challenging MediCal program. How do you get are so motivated or so uncomfortable that you can? This is not a small leap? It's hard.
Unknown Speaker 10:54
Yeah, you're right. And I guess I should back up a little bit but so back in like I was around 32 years old, I was kind of getting out of shape and start to get more interested in in fitness and started running and I, you know, did one of those Beachbody programs p90x and gotten a lot better shape. In the meantime, I was reading a little bit and came across this book. And I'll plug my friend but it's called better than steroids. His name's Dr. juan williams. He's the deal. And I kind of reached out to him like I did with Peter over email and ended up going to visit his practice out in Pocatello, Idaho. It's a little city in southeast Idaho, and he was giving me some lectures like how you would train physician for weight loss and preventive medicine and after the first thing is like, Oh, you should be at the and I'm like, I can't do that. I'm already like 34 years old and but I always thought about that and then the next month when I got back I'm like it's right. I think I'm more suited to do something like that. And I knew I could do it like I was pretty good with didactic and in school type. stuff, but it was more of like getting the funding and loans again, which was a little bit of a barrier, but I figured that it would be worth it in the end. And so far it's been pretty good to me. So
Pete Koch 12:11
from that point when you finish medical school and what were you thinking from the beginning that you wanted to practice general medicine, you know, where you which I know is really where you can meet the most people and I think have the most impact was at the plan all along. Yeah, the plan all along was to do family medicine.
Unknown Speaker 12:31
And then three, a third or fourth year training, you do rotations through all different specialties. So they'll do a month in anesthesia month in urology or whatever. And, you know, I interviewed for a few spots of Internal Medicine, which is basically like family medicine a little bit different, but I always felt that the programs where I got along with the people and for the family medicine programs, so that's how I decided to take that path and just For the audience, so lay medical students pick their specialty as they apply to a bunch of different programs. And then in January, they make a list of hospitals or programs they want to go to. And then the hospitals make a list. So it's kind of like a matching game. And then you just end up where the your match list kind of matches a hospitalist. So it's a
Pete Koch 13:24
quite the ordeal. And that's how you ended up. I think when I first met you, that's how you ended up in Pennsylvania.
Rob Gioia 13:31
Right? Yeah, I ended up in New York, Pennsylvania, small city and so central Pennsylvania, but it's pretty close to Philadelphia and Baltimore. So it has a lot of bigger cities around it.
Pete Koch 13:42
Mm hmm. We required I suppose. Maybe not so much legally. But by your schedule as you were going through medical school and then after all that your residency were you practicing any dentistry?
Unknown Speaker 13:57
No, I wasn't. I was. I maintain a life Simply dentistry and actually the state of Wisconsin I maintain it, but I haven't practiced dentistry for about eight years now. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it would, it would have been too hard, like to study and continue to work up.
Pete Koch 14:14
One thing I, before we sort of move off to the minute the medical side of things, though is I remember of reading or something that you have historically done some charitable, you know, taking your, your dental skill to other countries and done some, like pro bono dentistry. Is that right?
Unknown Speaker 14:36
Yeah, that was last year through our medical residency. They do a couple of trips to Guatemala to do medicine and they didn't have a dentist for this particular trip and they typically didn't have one so I volunteered to do good dental portion of it. And it was a lot of fun. It was pretty rewarding to because the, you know, the patients are immediately gratified when you Take out a tooth that hurts for them and take something that's broken. So yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Pete Koch 15:06
That's awesome. I mean, was there any any anxiety because you hadn't practiced in some years?
Unknown Speaker 15:12
Yeah, I think so a little bit. But once I got started with the first few people, it was like riding a bicycle. So
Pete Koch 15:19
that is a great story. I love that story. And you could do the doctoring at this at the same time. But now that's it. That's, that's, I love that story. At what point along this path that took you up to just last year? Did you really mean I don't know. Maybe it was was starting in high school, but when did you really embrace strength training? And folks, go ahead and take a look at Dr. Joy at on his Instagram page or, and you can see the kind of fantastic condition is this is a family medicine doctor that's in his 40s and he's leading from the front and when did you really start to embrace that the strength training
Unknown Speaker 16:01
Yeah probably started wanting to weightlifting when I was 14. Just a local YMCA. And probably like most people into weightlifting bought those muscle Max and some of the some of the people I looked up to were like Mike mentor, and we were talking about yesterday Dave, Dave Draper, all these people that lifted heavy and were pretty massive and strong. So throughout, I guess it'll be like 30 years now coming up. I've been in the gym and probably doing more or less strength training but with variation and you're helping me with that kind of get things changed up and stuff like that. But yeah, it's been 30 years I've been in the gym so early adopter in it, and it never stopped. Yeah,
Pete Koch 16:51
that that's the important thing. I get emails all the time from people that say, Hey, you know, I saw you working out on social media. And there's, I'm your age, and a boy and I always said, Boy, I used to be so fit and I played this or that in college, and I kept on when I was working out into my 30s. And then the some fill in right excuse, you know, I got married, you know, whatever. And I hadn't worked out for 15 years and you know, feel like I'm lost, like, Can you help me? The answer is, yeah, I can help you. But it's a little bit like that question is if somebody says somebody says, an adult, says, Hey, when's the best time for me to start working out? Oh, boy. Again, this is someone who's out of shape and not working out. It was the best. Yeah, basically, this start working out is today. Right? Right. Right. I go I go a little bit more if I can be a little bit snarky, and you know, in their in their 45. And I could say the best time to have started working out was 20 years ago. Yeah, since that didn't happen. And we we haven't invented a time. Machine yet, the answers today, right?
Pete Turner 18:04
That's a big note to it when you have to have always carved out that time out of your schedules, you know, you guys, you guys do that it's part of what you do, you know, you don't have a 24 hour day you have a 23 hour day because you're always going to work out. And as a middle aged guy, just it gets tough to keep up with life and do this. But, you know, this is the second show we've done today with people talking about, you know, getting our bodies back into back together and taking care of the system, you know, whether you're, you know, bringing in peptides or epigenetics or any of these things. It's a whole system and if you want to keep moving, and eQp you've talked about this quite a bit. You want to keep moving past the age 60 you've got to do something. And then there's basically there's no human that doesn't have a significant life event from 55 to 62. Like everybody has some kind of, you know, redefined of what being alive isn't a significant scare.
Unknown Speaker 19:02
Yeah. Whether it's mental health or something with their own physical well being I agree with you. And like Pete said, life happens and they stop working out but life happens for everybody. So whether it's you know, going back to medical school or studying 12 hours a day, still have to make time for yourself if you want to be able to do the things you want to do and age, gracefully.
Pete Koch 19:28
You know, my friend Pete Turner's heard me speak of him, Dr. Robert Ising. In the calm Dr. H, and he's a doctor of some renown and he's a internal medicine doc here in Beverly Hills. I played for the Los Angeles Raiders and you know, the Oakland Raiders, for those that don't follow football that closely. They were the Oakland Raiders for decades. Then they moved to an 80s and 90s. They moved to Los Angeles and then they went back to Oakland. Well during that span in the late 80s. I played for the Los Angeles Raiders with how we long and Marcus Allen and those guys and Dr. Robert Hi. Zynga was the team doctor. And he's very fit himself and he went to Michigan undergrad, and he was an all American wrestler at Michigan. And he continues to be very, very fit. He's in his 60s. Now, one of the things that I've learned from him, I've learned a great deal about physical fitness and weight loss and managing these things. And he says that he can't explain it. But he feels like when he works out for an hour, he gets an extra hour of productivity out of his day, just a math add up. Not exactly. But then on the days that he doesn't work out. He feels like he gets less production from this day. So it's the damnedest thing. What is it's one it's a very powerful point that that animates and to make sure that he does get up and he's got that in his he doesn't wait for the time to work out. It's in his schedule. I could tell you because I only because I've worked out with him and I know him so well I could tell you his schedule and tell you what he works out. But it doesn't matter that what how would how he makes it work in his life doesn't matter, the time of day that I work out, it might be of some interest of people. But the fact is you have to make it work for yourself. And that includes all lead to social implications, the motivational implications. In my case, I can tell people that what's a very, what's very helpful to me is having a training partner that I, I trained with, probably 70% of the time, and it makes a difference to me, but it's hard. It's hard to find a training partner that means somebody you need to be on each other's schedules. But again, I'm not that to take it such a deep dive into the social part of it, but figure out what works for you. That includes what type of gym you like, what type of exercise you like, but find something that you do that that that resonates with you and makes you feel good and go ahead please it in your schedule. And that's then now you're on your way. And if you're a little bit lucky, you'll be like Dr. Huizenga, who says this makes me feel like it makes me literally makes me more productive. That can you does that resonate with you With you, Doc?
Unknown Speaker 22:17
Yeah, like 100% and you know, even working out through medical school I would find, and I was driving 20 minutes to the gym because I lived in Detroit and there was no real gems in that area. And I would drive to like a suburb 20 minutes. So even 20 minutes there, 40 minutes a gym, 20 minutes back, kind of losing an hour and 20 minutes and travel and stuff. But way I could focus and study when I got back was, you know, much better than if I would have just stayed at home and did whatever. So, I agree. 100% and I can't remember the name of the book right now. But there is a book where there was a School teacher that had his kids run like in I think it was a mile in the morning before class and found that they did had better school performance and
Pete Koch 23:10
stuff like that. So yeah, this for sure there's a lot of In fact, I have that book I just can't i can't walk away. No, I can't. And, and that the the doctor that that wrote that did a lot of research on the reaction of the sort of not only a chemical, but there's also sort of a gene switching reaction in the brain that's in kids especially but grown ups to that's caused by exercise. This. I'm a CrossFit coach and I used to own a CrossFit gym and, and however you feel about CrossFit, look, one of the very smart things that Greg Glassman, the founder of CrossFit did was he became an early adopter to how important exercise was with kids And he was getting in lockstep with the with the scientists that were showing through studies that kids who exercise it had a physiological and a powerful physiological influence on their brains, and it made them study better. So they there's a program within CrossFit, a sub program that some of the CrossFit gyms not all offer. It's called CrossFit kids. And these are specially certified CrossFit coaches that teach and many of these schools, I will, I will tell you that they not only teach exercise, how to teach kids how to exercise safely. And for example, if they're really young kids like 567, the class might be only 20 minutes. It's just so you know, they're not putting adult CrossFit workouts on to kids. It's not that at all. It's it's very carefully sort of modified according to their age and ability. There's actually some CrossFit gyms out there that have a like a study hall attached to it, where kids can actually come there. After school, get exercise, and then stay, you know, the parents pay a fee. And then they stay in there have a supervised place to study at the gym, and the kids are thriving when they do this.
Unknown Speaker 25:12
I think it's brilliant. That's a great idea. And actually the book The name of the book is Spark.
Pete Koch 25:18
Yes, yes. I'm picturing the yellow,
Rob Gioia 25:21
white, yellow and the orange. Yeah. Very good Spark.
Pete Turner 25:25
Hey, Rob, I want to ask. So one thing is, is as a dentist who's now a doctor, how does that inform your practice like in my mind, when you say open up and say, you're like odd? No. Like, you know, as you look at the teeth, but it does it like does there's some other way that the one informs the other? And then to as a family practice, guy, I know you give out good advice. But what have you learned about getting advice? That's actually you know, when they come back the next visit or like, oh, man, I put it to work and now I've changed my life.
Unknown Speaker 25:57
Yeah. For your first question about how Look at being a dentist dentist prior affects me being a doctor not so much when I do an oral exam because I do look at everyone's mouth but if people come in with headaches or near pain or I feel like I have a broader differential of what the problem could be and just the other day I noticed somebody had the fillings and they were having ear pain and you know their ears like normal but I'm like have you had to fight check that and she was like, No, and so I sent it back to the dentist to get the bike check because that can cause your pain and job pain and from the stuff she was talking about. So even with headaches too if you know if someone has had problems grinding their teeth or recent dental work, it can definitely cause headache. So that's that's how I guess I could answer your first question. And then the second question.
Pete Turner 26:46
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Unknown Speaker 27:07
And then the second question, unfortunately, given our time constraints, that part of my process is probably minimal. But I do ask patients of what they think they can do to change their life, or what they think they can do for exercise in terms of my goal setting, especially patients with diabetes or wanting to lose weight, that's a huge component of their transformation to getting healthier. And a lot of the times you really just have to find out what their goal is or what they would like to see change about them and then kind of help them pick one thing you know, one thing they think they can do that will help and then having them come back frequently to see how they're doing will help them stay on track. Also, I try to stay in good shape partly so my patients can see that, you know, it can be done. And leading by example. I always think there's a good A good way to go about doing things.
Pete Koch 28:01
Doc, what about social media? And I love the fact that you're you're posting there. And I'm hoping that people will take a moment if you're on Instagram to go in and follow you, and pay attention to what you're doing and be inspired by, is this something that you're hoping to build on? It feels like, and I've said this to you, that there's a place for you. Absolutely. Where you can be a leader, that rare individual, let's, that's a doctor that can take care of you. But the incredible power of the medicine of exercise, and proper nutrition is something that you want to physically show people, the result of it. And the work you put in on your own body. Is this something you're looking to sort of increase your platform?
Unknown Speaker 28:51
Yeah, absolutely. And I think you know, social media nowadays has opened the doors to meeting so many new people. I mean, that's how I met you. I think I saw a couple of you're making your better 30 seconds at a time videos and breaking it down with Pete Koch. And that's how I ended up kind of not really meeting you, but knowing what you were about before I emailed you. So if I could do that with Instagram, that's great. And, you know, I truly believe that exercise is the best medicine it's the most cost effective medicine. If you watch a few YouTube 23 and a half hours, there's a Canadian physician, Dr. Mike Evans, he does a little like whiteboard drawing about 14 minutes long. And he cites studies about how medicine helps with all these, you know, ailments depression, heart disease, high blood pressure, even studies, there was a study in Japan that people who walk I think was like 12 minutes a day, their blood pressure improved, and even people who exercise but are still overweight, they saw better health outcomes. So definitely I would like to build upon that. I definitely think adding more medicine to somebody you know, certain medicines are essential for people but medicine on top of medicine you know I think exercise and proper nutrition can help take care of a lot of things medicines can
Pete Koch 30:11
i love it i mean i can read as many articles like crazy that that state the things that you've just stated but in fact I'm just looking at my email folder right now because I what I ended up what I end up doing is is emailing myself things that I see and here it is. I like to say here I found an article lead said and this is pretty obvious but but it's interesting because it was a large study done in a in a just had sedentary people just walk one day a week and measured here even running I'm so this was actually running even running just one there was a when Yahoo News, even just running one time a week can significantly lower your risk of death. So Going to even one time a week will enhance or or let you phrase it properly improve your things like your lipid profile your your blood profile here has the potential to have an impact on your resting heart rate and blood pressure these things that are important biomarkers that a doctor like you This is the sort of the nuts and bolts of how you're gauging someone's health, correct?
Unknown Speaker 31:26
Yeah, that's right. And absolutely like you're saying, exercise has been shown to improve the HDL which is the good cholesterol or protective cholesterol. So a lot of my counseling if someone comes in with a lower HDL is to start exercising or like increase their amount of exercising.
Pete Turner 31:45
Hey, Doc, when you on Instagram and you're seeing Pete Koch doing all the things he's doing he look, here's the thing for everybody listening. First off, go check out Pete's videos because they're inspirational. And it's not just Pete throwing around Olympic weights. He's hiking. He's He's doing push up. He's like, there's a zillion things he's doing what moves you Dr grab the computer and talk to Pete Koch and say I need some of what you got. I mean, you're already in fantastic shape. What do you see with what he does that inspires you to change what you're doing even by a little bit?
Unknown Speaker 32:19
Well, even with what I see and what I just been talking to him, you can see that he has a true passion for this and even just our emails, he's always reading and like trying to find research and talking to people in the field and trying to you know, just improve his already like, great knowledge of the of the subject of exercise and nutrition. And you're right, his videos are inspirational. So I love watching them and then I love getting my advice from him. But he actually listened you know, if you send him an email and tell him I only have like a half an hour a day in the gym and all I can do he just sent me a new workout plan and I'm I did try to have them I'm going to start next week for like to do it, but I finished in a half an hour Exactly. And I felt great. So, you know, I think he really listens to you and he knows what he's talking about. Well, I appreciate that
Pete Koch 33:10
I've learned the hard way. Because I've been at this a long time that it's simple to write a program that's got bunches of fancy sexy exercises using medicine balls and jump ropes and dumbbells and bands and all this great sexy stuff that we see on that, you know, fitness experts using OR LEGIT experts using on social media but to organize it in such a way and and condense it so that a real working person with a real job can get that done in a timeframe that they've in your case you quoted to me as being 30 minutes. That's a little bit of a trick. So I appreciate you pointing that out to me because it's that wasn't something that came naturally to me. I just at the beginning used to write all kinds of in think why aren't Fancy trainer, look at all these sexy exercises and I told you to do, that's not the practical way to accomplish anything. In fact, it's, it's a, it's a disaster. So I appreciate that. And as we get a little bit closer to the, to the end of this conversation, Doc is it when we were talking last week, I, I kind of said, you know, tongue in cheek, I said to you, I was saying it really admire the things that you you accomplished. You know, if you become a dentist or a doctor, you're pretty much a rock star, you know, we kind of lump in lawyers and kind of make, you know, an engineer and we kind of lump them together. And as a society, we say, wow, that person is really, really, really accomplished. That's really special. We've done two of these to these things right at the top of everybody's list, and I was kind of teasing you and I said, Well, you know what's next? Come on. What's next. And and you said Well, you know, I'm just in this work at this one hospital and I'm in a contract. And you know, I got a deal with them. And I love it. But I, you know, we're committed to each other for I don't know, maybe I think two years and whatever it was that you said, and then what I'm already thinking about it, and I was like, Well hold it, hold it a second, but I didn't, I didn't seize it. But you were like, you're already thinking what's next? And I don't know how I don't want to get to, you know, deep into your personal business. Because I was saying this to Pete Turner before you got on and joined us in the conversation. And I said, Who the hell knows with this guy? He might decide he wants to be an architect and go back to school and design hospitals. I mean, I don't know what you know, but but I'll ask you Well, you know, what do you what do you thinking what would you like to share?
Unknown Speaker 35:49
I'm not going to go back to school be an architect or anything of that matter, but I but I do. I really like why I'm working right now. I like the office. I'm basically But I still want to expand my knowledge more on strength training, there's the CFCs certification, which I'll do, probably in the next six months or so I've got that. And then just, you know, focus more on kind of the same things you're focusing on, you know, health and through exercise and nutrition. There's other courses, like through a 4am. And there they called functional medicine. And that's basically more along the lines and some of your other, you know, physician friends that you talked to have had that training and more on like health optimization, rather than we see a lot of times in the US it's kind of reactive medicine with somebody sick, you have to, you know, you're trying to help them get better whereas, you know, this functional medicine is more preventing the illness in the first place.
Pete Koch 36:49
So I think that's the direction I'd like to take my practice and knowledge base towards it makes perfect sense to me. And I'll add this in case you didn't know but The nsca there's a lot of acronyms. For folks that don't know the national strength conditioning Association, their highest credential is called the CSCs, which is a certified strength and conditioning specialist, I am certified through them. If you watch the if you're ever watching an NFL game or Major League Baseball, they all have strength coaches, as you could imagine, and they're all basically CSCs because that's that's the highest credential. And that might be good, but I'll mention this to you. I don't know if you knew this, but I'm also a CrossFit level. One coach and CrossFit program a few years ago, introduced a program where you could be certified to become a level one coach, but it's got a special educational protocol. And it's only it's an it's like an exclusive club. Only medical doctors and these indios are allowed to go through this program and it's a special bit of education and certification, to need the The idea was, and I could I could direct you to a podcast where Greg Greg Glassman talks to a world class. There's this woman I'm blanking on her name was Julie forshay. Just a quick little history in CrossFit Julie foo Shay is a was probably a little bit offer game right now. But eight years ago, she was the number two number two in the world the number two crossfitter in the world that it was a second fittest. She came in second at the CrossFit Games while she was in medical school, when she competed in the games, and the training is unbelievable. And she was in medical school. Well since then. She's graduated and she's a family medicine doctor now. And she's like in her early 30s. She's in Ohio. And Julie foo Shay has also has a podcast and recently I was listening to her and she was interviewing Greg Glassman, and they were unpacking a little bit of this special CrossFit level one coaching certification, expressly and exclusively for Medical Doctors so you might be interested in checking that out.
Unknown Speaker 39:03
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And just to further on further kind of expand upon that last weekend, I was just in Lancaster, Pennsylvania for a family medicine, kind of like education series and they actually they had introduction to CrossFit as part of their one of their seminars in the morning. So I think it is it's starting to catch on as being well definitely a medical exercises medicine. So I've been across it a little bit. I think it's a it's a great way to, I'm all about efficiency in the gym. So it's a good way to get an efficient workout and then move on with the rest of your life. So Good,
Pete Koch 39:38
good. Well, I like the way you're thinking into, you know, just to pile on some more education but of all the major certifying bodies on that, that educate fitness pros like me, out of all of them, this is in CrossFit a little bit I understand on the sort of my The outside looking in compared to some of these bigger educational companies because because CrossFit had the because there are something like 16,000 CrossFit gyms and because people look at them like a, it looks a little weird and a little dangerous, but the fact is I far as I know, they're the only education certifying and education company that's embraced the idea of certifying people in the medical community, specifically to at their level of education. I think it's brilliant, because I've been blessed to have my doctor being Rob. Hi, Zynga. I live here in Los Angeles. So I've always he's always been my doctor and he's a friend. But I'm very fortunate to have a doctor that is leading from the front and if he ever had a problem, Rob want you to be my doctor. Because when when that I don't, I don't think Know how if every how many people exactly understand the, to the magnitude, this is my judgment, the magnitude of a medical doctor who was coupled that with the discipline and know how to create an outstanding level of physical fitness within their own organism, their own self. And that's that's an impressive thing. And that's it. That's an that's an elite club, and you're in it and and that, that that's a powerful signal that you send out to the entire world.
Pete Turner 41:34
Now, Rob, let me say to you to that, as we're a lot of new with all of these things. I mean, you're an inspiration to I mean, obviously Pete works hard at getting folks to get up and get moving. But so to you, and all of us out here who aren't doing it and most of us aren't, you know, we need folks like you guys to encourage us that hey, now is the time to start walking once a week is certainly an attainable goal. And you build from there. I mean, it's one thing Look at you know, either of you guys with shirts off and go god damn, I'll never get there. But that isn't the point. The point is the journey building got discipline getting in the gym every day, eating better, you know, doing whatever you can to take care of your organism is it all starts with the beginning and some stick to itiveness. And we'll all find our own level of fitness and health. And, heck, I'm doing my best to do it through swimming and trying to eat better, but I get it. It's a slog. It's hard, but guys like you are the ones that make it possible. And I just from all of us out here, I appreciate you doing what you do to keep keep us online. Heck, the both of you. I appreciate both you guys.
Pete Koch 42:36
Appreciate you. Thanks.
Unknown Speaker 42:39
And thanks. And you said it right exactly. Like you just need to do what's good for you. Do your best at trying to move every day and you know better and once you start seeing some results. It'll just build upon itself and you'll get into a routine that that works for you.
Pete Koch 42:57
I like it. No, I mean I was just gonna say doc that I think that was just like a perfect way to wrap up an hour. That's been really a pleasure for me to unpack some of these questions that I've had since since I've known you and to have you know kind of have people put a voice behind the man you know that I wish that they would look for you on Instagram at DDS to do dentist a doctor. So great or just find Rob joy Gi Oh I A Rob joy on LinkedIn and just become a part of your family and spread the word I believe it was. Stephen Covey, one of those money manager guys that went went to Harvard, my trying to think of and several years ago, it was the bald headed guy went to Peter or maybe was Peter Drucker, one of those guys and he said, the three most important people and adult is going to take through their lives. I mean, if you want to live a real grown up Life. The three most important people are a medical doctor, an accountant slash Wealth Management person, and a mechanic, an auto mechanic. The third one is, is the one that makes you smile and you go, Oh yeah, boy, I wish I renew a really good mechanic instead of God, how much did I just pay for that? You know that, that gas filter, whatever, but listen to medical doctor is number one and to get to align yourself with one for the work that we're in is for the rest of our lives. That's that's powerful thing. And, and good for you for all that you've you've, you know, put into yourself. You've paid it into yourself to be the best doctor, you can be much respect.
Thanks a lot.
Pete Turner 44:47
Thanks, Rob. Thanks for coming on the show. We really appreciate you.
Rob Gioia 44:50
Yeah, thanks for inviting me.
