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Actor, Success Factor X, Getting It Right - Our guest on this episode of the Break It Down Show is Sean Kanan. Sean is an actor with dozens of credits to his name. Yep, he's the bad guy from Karate Kid III, but, he's also starred in 100's of daytime shows, like General Hospital as AJ Quartermaine, Young and the Restless and Bold and the Beautiful as Deacon Sharpe.
Sean is more than just an actor. he's also a black belt martial artist, a multi-lingual actor-he appeared on the Italian dancing with the stars, and an author with his latest book Success Factor X. Pete A Turner and our special secret co-host the implacable Brenna Turner sit with Sean and have the first of what will be many chats. #author #best-selling #actor #youngandrestless #boldandbeautiful #Generalhospital #daytime #ajquartermaine #deaonsharp Haiku Author and Actor Sean Kanan a daytime star Success Factor X Similar episodes: Michael Broderick Nate Boyer Charlie Cook |
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Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. I'm sitting outside Pete's house in beautiful Tustin, California. It is early in the morning The sun is just coming up and the birds are chirping. So if you hear that in the background, just know that they're helping me hang up the sun this morning. Our guest today is Sean Kanan. He's the author of the new book success factor x, inspiration, wisdom and advice from 50 of America's best. It's an exploration of what it takes to succeed from some of the most successful people in the world, including Tony Robbins, Mark Cuban, Ken Shamrock, Don King, Jason Alexander and Sara Blakely.
Jon Leon Guerrero 0:00
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. I'm sitting outside Pete's house in beautiful Tustin, California. It is early in the morning The sun is just coming up and the birds are chirping. So if you hear that in the background, just know that they're helping me hang up the sun this morning. Our guest today is Sean Kanan. He's the author of the new book success factor x, inspiration, wisdom and advice from 50 of America's best. It's an exploration of what it takes to succeed from some of the most successful people in the world, including Tony Robbins, Mark Cuban, Ken Shamrock, Don King, Jason Alexander and Sara Blakely. Sean has himself succeeded as an actor, a producer and a writer. His previous book was called the modern gentleman cooking and entertaining with Sean Kanan, where he shared his approach and his tips to creating meaningful connections through providing an experience that nourishes the body, the spirit and the curiosity of your guests. And he does with a style and an execution that has landed him key roles in daytime dramas and feature films alike. You probably know him from his longtime starring roles on General Hospital, the Bold and the Beautiful, and the young and the restless, as well as breakout role as Mike Barnes, the bad boy of karate in The Karate Kid three. And he continues to create in a variety of media every day. Speaking of which, we continue to create every day to just for you. And if you're into these topics, and we're helping you to be more informed about them, do us a big favor and support the break it down show with a five star rating on iTunes or Stitcher I Heart Radio or whatever platform you use to listen to us. And if you're listening on YouTube, please subscribe and hit that notification bill. So you're always abreast of our new episodes. You don't have to write them in Italian, French, Russian, Mandarin or Japanese all things Sean can do. But a couple of thoughts about the show in whatever language best suits you would be great. We'd appreciate it. And we think you're really going to appreciate our guest today whose books you can buy in physical form, or for your Kindle on Amazon. Here's Sean Kanan millions rock productions
Unknown Speaker 2:15
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Unknown Speaker 2:23
Scott Baxter, Gabby Reese, Rob Bell, this is Johnny on gray.
Pete Turner 2:26
And this is Pete a Turner.
Sean Kanan 2:31
Hey, this is Sean Kanan, and you are listening to the break it down show and I'm here to gratuitously plug my new book success factor x.
Niko Leon Guerrero 2:42
And now the break it down show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 2:48
Yes, Success Factor X I read it. And it's fantastic. You guys got a bunch of insight from people like Tony Robbins just to keep the list short, but the list is incredible. It is on success. And like their advice. Typically, it's sometimes it's 10 words. Sometimes it's a paragraph, but it's just dense with quality stuff. And I love it. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 3:07
Yeah. You know, it's it's interesting that you say that, because when we were compiling the book, some people's submissions were very long. Yeah. And some peoples were very short. Yeah. And we were a little concerned. I was like, Oh, my God, okay, this guy that's he's a big name is giving us a very short submission. But the thing is, it's like everybody has an internal barometer about what success means to them. And if you can convey that in a few sentences, yeah, that's, that's amazing. And, you know, and we were, we were constantly surprised with the people that we got to participate in the book. Incredible. You know, we really were amazed. I mean, the quality of it, you know, a mark qubit Sara Blakely, the first female billionaire. Yeah. I mean, we got some really amazing people. And then some of the people are not household names. And I thought that was really interesting, too. Because I didn't want everybody to be a household name. I wanted some people, your daughters looking at a watch, by the way. And nobody was it was really it was really cool that like some of the people maybe we're introducing to the readers the book for the first time. Look, one guy that is is somebody that is a personal friend of mine, and he's an amazing individual is Jay Dobbins. Jay Dobbins, looks like a hells Angel. scary looking dude, right? And Jay is an ex ATF agent, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent who infiltrated the Hells Angels, and brought down a chapter the Hells Angels. And he is a legitimate American hero. Yeah, this guy. And Jay. It's so interesting how I met him. I, I was watching a TV show. And I saw Jay. And I was like, I want this guy from my book. And I go, I'm I'm gonna try and find him. And I don't know how I did it. I found him. And I contacted him and said, Hey, my name is Sean Kanan. I'm doing this book. He goes, can you be in? Tucson, Arizona tomorrow? And I was like,
Unknown Speaker 5:14
Yeah, yes. So I called my wife and I'm like, babe, we're flying to Tucson, we're going to go hang out with Jay Dobbins this guy I just met. And he's like, if you can be there, I'm going to take you on a bust. And so basically, it was a multi task force bust. He picks me up at my hotel at like, four in the morning. And he's like, we're gonna let you watch what it's like to bust all these bad guys. And it was the most amazing, weird, bizarre, cool thing I've ever done. Yeah. And so we became friends. And I was in Tucson with Michelle, my wife two months ago. And Jay is speaking of the University of Arizona, and it's him and another guy who's like, Officer, and he's there addressing all these young kids that want to be police officers. Forgive the women to say this, okay. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but he's like, he's like, you look at me. And he said, Who the fuck is going to take on the bad guys? He goes, he goes some guy that looks like you know, this guy with a pencil in his pocket. He goes, you need a bad guy like me to be the guy that takes on the bad guys. And Jay looks like if you google him right now his name's. It's worth doing. Yeah, it's Jay Dobbins. He looks he's got like a weird twisty beard and tattoos. He had to figure out a way to look like he had killed some people without obviously killing some people. So they took like, I don't know, it was like turkey sausage. They had his it's called a cut, you know, a nut land, they put searches or whatever they made it look like they killed this guy. And he's just one of the most fascinating human beings I've ever met. And he's worked the coolest, most funny human beings. Because you would think like a guy from the ATF is like a stiff Yeah, and Jays real fun to go out with. So my point is circumventing back to what I was saying was, some of the people in the book are not household names. They're not like the Tony Robbins, the mark Cuban's of the world, and you learn about them, and you're like, wow, these guys are really fascinating.
Pete Turner 7:25
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Unknown Speaker 7:54
So my point is circumventing back to what I was saying was some of the people in the book or not household names. They're not like the Tony Robbins, the mark Cuban's of the world, and you learn about them. And you're like, wow, these guys are really fascinating.
Pete Turner 8:09
Yeah, there is a thing I believe in from my time doing similar work. And I might do a JD, but you know, very dangerous work. Right? Get a clarity what I call the ground truth. So up at FBI headquarters or ATF headquarters, that that reality is complete. If you're in a spaceship, writing down on a continent, you can't even 30,000 square miles in you. Yeah, yeah. We're Jay is that and understand what he has to understand. And when those things don't intersect ever, it's hard for the organization to get what it wants, because you can't learn the tactical and the sub tactical, right? The grit, with the organizational strategic goal. They're just not aligned. Well,
Unknown Speaker 8:49
you know, I hope at some point, that our friendship grows. And I hope that I'm able to introduce you to this guy, because I think you would really dig him. So he wrote a best selling book called No, no angel, when he took down the Hells Angels. And now they're making a movie of his life. And you know, the whole thing is like, he's balancing. He's got this nice, beautiful wife. He's got this kid. He's like a little league coach. And on the weekends, he's leaving. And he's going and they can't do drugs, right, an ATF agent. So he's pounding like herbal stimulants, so he can compete with these guys that are doing crystal meth. And like, like, one time they were going to kill a guy. And the guy was a informer. And so Jay had to beat the shit out of this guy. Because that was the lesser evil of letting this guy get killed. Yeah, so he basically grabbed this guy's punch in and punch him. But he's throwing him out of the bar. Like, you know what I mean? Like he's doing it to get him out of this situation. Right, right. And you're just like, all right, it's crazy.
Pete Turner 9:57
And when you have to win four levels above you there briefing that JD?
Unknown Speaker 10:01
Yeah, yes.
Pete Turner 10:03
Someone's got to be there to be like, I'm positive. Jay made the right decision. You know, he said,
Unknown Speaker 10:07
this guy's light, right? He bought the crap out of them and murder them. Right. But he saved his life. Right.
Pete Turner 10:12
But that is what's great about the book is that you guys do cover that full spectrum. So remember, the the J segment was great. And I resonated with it. Because again, we don't do the same thing. But I've got to go make friends with the worst people on the earth. Right? Fine, right? Because the people that have the dangerous information or the dangerous Wait, you know, I have to build trust with the Taleban genuine
Unknown Speaker 10:33
question. I don't know it's starting, like I'm interviewing your Dell, it's a conversation. Do you ever find yourself like on a weird level here? These guys are the enemy. But you can't help but having some kind of almost a weird respect for them. And then you feel guilty for that because they're the enemy. But even though you diametrically opposed to what they believe their level of commitment on some level.
Pete Turner 10:56
Yeah, I mean, there's there's like, I mean, you have to respect them on some level to have so Is that weird? Yeah. No, not at all. I cross cultural you have to you have to accept what they do. But you have to understand it. Like their situation their uncle's if you will put yourself in
Unknown Speaker 11:10
there. How would you be different? How would you be different if your wife is getting bombed? I mean, I mean, maybe maybe,
Pete Turner 11:15
how you make money, and it's the only way you have to make money is today, you know, endeavor and things that are legal or illegal? Yep. So I for sure, you know, there has to be an exchange of respect to get to trust.
You has to Yeah, and if I don't have a trust, so I work on like, what do they need help with right now? Immediately, right. I do for you, too. Yeah, it's not. It's not like build a 10 story, training academy. You know, it's really simple stuff. Like,
Unknown Speaker 11:44
can I really loved you? Can I feed you? Yeah, I help you.
Pete Turner 11:47
Yeah. I mean, like, we have homeless people, two blocks from here, right? If you went over there and said, How can I help you right now, today, make your life 5% better. It's funny, you brought that up.
Unknown Speaker 11:56
I just finished a movie with Steven Seagal. And DMX. We shot the movie, that 6666 Street is directly across from Skid Row. And so the facility we were in, it has fencing, and it's protected. But there's a guy that's the caretaker of this building, right? And he says, Listen, he goes, he says, You know, I know. You're looking at these people and and you, you, you, you want to be empathetic. And of course you do, of course you want to be empathetic. But he's like, there's a flip side of that reality, which is, so many people come down, they bring them sandwiches, they bring them clothes, they bring in this net, and these guys have gotten really good at gaming the system. And they go imagine you own a business. And now because you're in a city, that's a sanctuary city city, that it is inappropriate to be angry at about that. And now you built this business that protects your family that feeds your family. And these guys are here parked in front of your, you know, your front lawn. And there's two sides to it. Anyway, the reason I brought it up was because I did this movie and our call times were it for the morning. So like I'm arriving at four in the morning on Skid Row. And I mean, it was like nothing to see people smoking crack. Yeah, having sex rats. I mean, it was like, you see the worst of the worst of the worst of, of humanity, nothing. They're the worst of humanity, just where things can go when they're horribly wrong. And then when you do a movie, you have to eat your food. It's it's every six hours is when so imagine we get there four in the morning, lunches at 10 in the morning, and you're eating this exorbitant wonderful meal. And these homeless people are walking by and you feel really yeah, like a bad human being that you're in you literally cannot give them food because it's old. Yeah. Anyway, it was weird. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah.
Pete Turner 14:11
Well, that, like you think about the homeless folks are out there doing that with rats and crack and sex. You know, they're doing what we all do, right? They don't have any walls. You know, so it's just me,
Unknown Speaker 14:21
you know, I'm not smoking crack, though. No, but that that
Pete Turner 14:25
drink too much, or they smoke too much, or they pill too much, or whatever, you know. And it's still commentary with but it's things, it's their life is in the open. My point is not to assign blame to anybody or put anything on anybody. But when you go into that environment, as me right, I've now got to understand what it's like to be there to walk under show, right walk in their shoes. Yeah. And so if I can get to our side and say, here's the reality, here's where they need help. So
Unknown Speaker 14:53
I got this piece from the Bhagavad Gita, that's my my meditative piece. And I'm not gonna bore you with it. But the essence of it is it says, He lives in wisdom, who sees himself and all know it all and himself. And it's like, you know, I may not agree with it. And I may think you're acting like an asshole, but I'm going to look at you and go, what if that was me, you know, try and get a different level of understanding.
Pete Turner 15:17
And the ethics in these situations are different. Jay had a different ethical reality, where he's picking something that everybody else would say is unethical. So listen, what happened to Jay?
Unknown Speaker 15:27
Yeah, Jay was a brilliant football player. And he went to the combine. The combine is the combine is where they take all prospects, the hot prospects, and all the owners of the teams have scouts, and they decide whether they want to make them an offer to so Jay was like a big time football player for University of Arizona. He says, within 10 minutes, I knew I wasn't gonna make it to the pros. But he says that the two guys that were competing against him at the combine were Jerry Rice. It looks like these are Hall of Fame football players. So he's like, I knew I was going to do this. So Jay, joins the ATF. Okay. Within three days of being in the ATF for some for Cocteau, reason, he gets put in an undercover situation. He had no business being and he gets shot. Well left four dead. Three days after he gets out of the Academy. For some reason. He's in the frickin and a lawyer calls him up and he's like, dude, you can write your own ticket. You can get millions. He goes, I don't want millions. He goes, I came here to serve my country. Wow. He goes, I just want to so that's the guy. I mean, he's a he's an American hero. Yeah, this guy.
Pete Turner 16:44
Yeah, I mean, the guys that are in that kind of work. You know, it's different that he almost died. I mean, sure. Just that once. No, come on. It's a lot of danger. What do you look them up? You see, it looks like
Unknown Speaker 16:55
he looks like a badass, right? You want no part of j? Right? Absolutely. Marshall all my life. I'm not a pussy. But Jay, you know, part of Jay Dobbins angry with you.
Pete Turner 17:07
Point like, you probably have this there comes a point where it's like, oh, there's gonna be a fight.
Unknown Speaker 17:11
I'm not worried about winning. I'm worried about not getting, like, well, but even
Pete Turner 17:15
if you can punch me in the face all you want, right? Ain't gonna be enough. Right? So right. You may beat me. But guess what? There's gonna come a weapon with it. You know? I'm the guy who doesn't care if he wins or loses just that's the guy. Yes. Yes, exactly. I got imagine Jays that guy's like, Yeah, whatever. You know who you saw.
Unknown Speaker 17:32
Plus, I mean, you can ride a bike. I mean, he's an interesting cat, man. And he's the thing it's interesting is he looks like a a dangerous hells Angel guy. Yeah. He's really erudite. I mean, he's very, very smart and educated. I mean, he teaches classes on the college level, right? You know, I mean, it's almost like he's created this persona. Because he he has to look this way to do what he like what you talked about with you. Yeah. But like, it's it's a parties playing? Uh huh. You know, yeah.
Pete Turner 18:03
So you think about this, like when I do my job with salmon, Bosnia, right. We talked about that earlier. When a farmer offers me some of his homemade brandish leave events, right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You say yes. And when he brings you medium rare pork that he killed from his big frickin Knossos? Yeah. You say yes, to trigger gnosis because you've got a bigger mission, a bigger purpose.
Unknown Speaker 18:26
Right.
Pete Turner 18:27
So it seems sexy, but when I got dysentery, right,
Unknown Speaker 18:32
you gotta do we got to do but you have to do it.
Pete Turner 18:34
I mean, certain people say they won't, but they shouldn't be in the field, but you're insulting them. Right? And you and it's okay to like have a barrier and maybe it's you won't eat the food, but you have to know how to get around. Right right. And just saying because usually everybody who I talked to were not really I don't want to be disrespectful and they don't have a level of pro capacity that I have right here whether I'm eating the food or not they're not prepared to get around that situation like they're just not that's a hard wall for them so they really should be analysts or planners or something.
Unknown Speaker 19:03
Yes, not field guys.
Pete Turner 19:05
Right? And so a guy like that may have a win here and there but got like Jay is gonna win all the time because he gets around that.
Unknown Speaker 19:11
But do you mind if I ask what what was your was your rank? I was an f5. I was a sergeant
Pete Turner 19:15
started so fairly low ranking, but I was worked well above
Unknown Speaker 19:18
it was a buddy of mine. You know, Terry Shepherd is Yeah, I actually got his terrorist terrorism the book. Yeah. The book Terry's like, my, my guy. I love Terry.
Pete Turner 19:28
Yeah, terrorists was to come on the show. We just never hooked up and do Oh, you got to get to.
Unknown Speaker 19:33
Have you ever seen Dude, you're screwed.
Pete Turner 19:35
Yeah, yeah. That's grace. She's a maniac. Yeah, it's a bunch of operators and they kidnap each other and put them in possible situations like see a dude and then it's sort of like Naked and Afraid. But with operators and, and so they're like, you get a stick you get this goat you got to bring back with you. And you know, this whole situation, and then they and they,
Unknown Speaker 19:55
it's cool. Because they get they give you like several items now. And you think okay, thank you lipstick and say a clown mask. Yeah. And what these guys are going to do, is we're going to kidnap you, and drop you off in the worst, most inhospitable place. But then you start thinking, lipstick as a Malian city Alliance make really good. What do you call it? incendiary? Yeah, you know, it's a great way to light a fire. And so that the mask is a great way to scoop water. It means like all these stupid things have great ability.
Pete Turner 20:24
Yeah. Then they run them into like a, an abandoned old Sherry's
Unknown Speaker 20:27
and all that is just one of the funniest, smartest, toughest, weird, weird Oh, yeah, so weird. Now, I love Terry. But he's a weirdo.
Pete Turner 20:38
And all those guys are alpha alpha. So
Unknown Speaker 20:40
yeah, I mean, you and I are kind of alphas. Yeah. This guy's an alpha. Right.
Pete Turner 20:45
Yeah. So when you're in that world, and you're trying to operate with those guys are going out for the right, right? Yeah. So I don't ever choose to. I just go do my stuff, and then want to open my mouth. And I say what I've got to say, I'm ahead of them in my field. Right. So I don't have to out alpha them. They already know that in terms of collecting. I met Mr. Bear, but you know, if run right there teacher, but that requires a surrendering of ego like Yeah, go ahead, go. Everybody wants to out, shoot the weapons expert on a soft team. And then that grit, that ruggedness, that alpha alpha connection means that they have this reality, this wisdom,
Unknown Speaker 21:23
and it's super play. You know, I think I think if you meet a guy like that, if he's a guy in generally, my experience has been that most military guys are very humble and respectful. They're not, you know, they'll kill you, but they're not dicks. Yeah. And when you meet those kind of guys, it just immediately brings a sense of Wow, I'm impressed and, and not articulating it really well. But I'm just saying, you immediately, like, that's a guy that I want to know. I want to know, I'll make sense your domain because because of what they've been through, if it's not bullshit, and obviously, you're not in trouble, whatever it says, Wow, I really want to run that's that's what men aspire to. If you want
Pete Turner 22:05
candid answers, you ask a special operator, not so much seals, but not not them. Are you bad method? coo? No, no, I'm just saying that more the Special Operations, the green bring
Unknown Speaker 22:14
about this whole court case going on.
Pete Turner 22:16
So I know a lot of these guys. Right. And I personally
Unknown Speaker 22:19
mean,
Pete Turner 22:20
yeah, for sure. So what did the guy do it? I mean, I don't I thought for me to say, but I do know this, that the ethics in combat are different than ethics here at the spouse, downtown LA.
Unknown Speaker 22:31
I get it.
Pete Turner 22:32
I get it. But also, the military court system has these a lot to be desired for being. Look, if you have the ability to put someone in jail for the rest of your life. You need to be above reproach. They aren't Yeah. Oh, that's that's really where it stops. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, the way you care for this up, we give an example. There's a case we don't got to get in the case. But bottom line is, is it's very questionable as to what happened, did he or didn't he? Right. But at one point, the military police had lost custody of the evidence for three months. That's ridiculous. Right.
Unknown Speaker 23:04
I mean, if that happened in a civil court, or in a criminal court, in the United States, right, it would be absolutely yes. It is in for this trial. Yeah. We can't do it. Right. Yeah. So he's in jail still. And so we do have these things where like Eddie Gallagher, and these other guys are, are struggling to get out. You're taking things out of context and not playing by the rules. This is my layman's opinion. And your soldiers you can tell me, but I think the thing that differentiates us from other people is it has not always function perfectly my life, of course, yeah. But pretty much our soldiers are not going to go and rape women. Yeah, they have a code of honor. No, you know, they are the American military. Yeah. And if they're not the I don't know what military but now you have a certain level of expectation that there's going to be at least within the parameters of war, which is horrible. And I can only imagine, yeah, there's going to be a level of conduct that is, right.
Pete Turner 24:04
Am I right? Or no hundred percent. And among the pure nations who go out and do things with us, we are seen as the number one like because look, it's not only the proficiency with the weapons and the character conduct.
Unknown Speaker 24:15
Yep. conduct the self development. And the thing is interest always told me this. He goes spec the difference between a spec ops and a grunt. Is it How can I think on my feet? How can I be an out of the box? Right? thinker, right? To kill the enemy? Yeah, but also when it's not necessarily kill the enemy?
Pete Turner 24:34
Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I mean, absolutely. You can give Greenberg a problem. We've got 500 pounds of solvers. You've got $50. And I want to meet you in Havana tomorrow in Arizona, or tomorrow. And then not only will they get there,
Unknown Speaker 24:48
that'd be like, that'd be doing shuttles. But they'll have a drink with a with a little umbrella audit. Right. But
Pete Turner 24:55
it's true, though. I mean, right. So let this desire to accomplish the mission. And if mission is designed, right,
Unknown Speaker 25:01
adapt, overcome, right.
Pete Turner 25:03
Yeah. And and also, just like, the Special Forces slogan is just, you know, they're trying to liberate the oppressed. What better mission than that? You know, like, that's their, that's their thing. Right? Right. So when you go through your book, and you have all these insights from guys like Terry, and JU, also, you know, Mark Cuban and all the, I mean, there's so many
Unknown Speaker 25:24
great Mark Cuban story. I know, you're gonna ask me a question, but until you really know it's a conversation with the biggest bugaboo for this whole project, is there were 48 individuals, myself and my partner being to the made 15. We had to get photos. Their submission? Yeah, we had to get a short bio. And we had to get a release. Release. Now we had Warren Buffett the book, yeah, Warren Buffett. That's, and he sent me an email, or actually think he sent it to my partner. It said, you can use me in the book book, but the publisher was like, No, you must have an actual legal release for Warren Buffett, which he wouldn't sign. And I don't blame them. Yeah. So we didn't have Cubans either. We had an email. So my partner calls cubes up. Yeah. And he's like, Mark, I need your thing. You already did. He said, A Mavs game. Yeah. He goes, Doc, you send it to me. He means Mark Cuban. Yeah, he's not sending this to all of his legal team. He goes Baba Baba. So the essence of this story is that a guy of Mark Cuban's level right? did not say, Oh, my God, you have to send this to my lawyer, my ba, ba, ba, ba, he's like, signed it done. And I think what that says about Mark Cuban, is in business, I think when you can create an expediency, and I would imagine what you do, you need to know when something needs to be done immediately. And without bullshit. Yeah. That's how you get it done. And Mark was like, Oh, I get you guys need this. You need it. Now. I'm going to do it for you. Part of what was he was kind to do it. Like he's like, I'm signing this done, because he knew if not, we weren't able to use them in the in the book. And I just think that's what makes a billionaire. That's what makes a winner. And this guy was like, Okay, I see what needs to be done to make this happen now.
Pete Turner 27:22
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Unknown Speaker 27:44
And I just think that's what makes a billionaire. That's what makes a winner. And this guy was like, Okay, I see what needs to be done to make this happen. Yeah,
Pete Turner 27:53
but this is like what commanders do, right? Like if I can provide them a tiny hurdle that they have the ability to not only get over, but smash, whatever, I can smash it, I can lift it and throw it. I can go over and do whatever, right. But if I can present it, and like it's how you present it. Yeah. And then they go, that's all we gotta do. Dun, dun dun Don't Don't tell me what to do. Just give me the obstacle. Give me the obstacle. Let me Yep,
Unknown Speaker 28:14
yeah, overcome it. I was really blown away that he did that. Because my point was circling back. God getting 48 very successful, very powerful individuals that are on often different continents to like, do what you need to get done, was really tough.
Pete Turner 28:34
So let me ask you this and a bit about that. Some of the talks, a lot of very notable people myself, the ability to communicate with Warren Buffett, for example, he may respond immediately to your message, but immediately frame is five days later. Because
Unknown Speaker 28:47
the interesting thing about Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett is like I never don't respond to somebody by the end of the day. Welcome. And that is, it's the devils in the details. If you can take something that we will a very little thing on Warren Buffett's blade, right. But if you can take the little things and make them important. You certainly can take the big things and make them important. And I mean, I was blown away that that guy responded to us.
Pete Turner 29:14
What have you changed your life since writing this book, I'm going to tell you,
Unknown Speaker 29:17
I needed something in my life. I needed something. And I said to myself, I'm writing a book about success. This is my OCD, kicking. And I have to like I said, I need to walk it like a target. And I was overweight. There were things I wasn't doing that I needed to do. Yeah. And this book was the impetus for me to address some issues I needed to address trying to lose weight for a really long time. Yeah. And I don't know how I did it, but I just was like, you know, I tried the keto. I tried it, Baba Baba. And then I finally kind of got it together. And that was part of it. I started this new thing. There's this book called The more miracle Have you heard of this? Yeah. So morning miracle, basically, is this guy named Hal Elrod that wrote this book. And he's like, you can change your life by getting up early in the morning. And I was that guy's an actor. If you don't have something to do, say, an audition, or you're filming, it's real easy to be like, I'm slipping into 11. Yeah. And I was like, that, I'm done. I go, I'm getting up at six every day nine military. Yeah. And I started getting up at six. And I wrote a mantra thing, okay. I mean, I, I've never been a real religious guy. And I started praying every morning, and I'm not this is not like about the god squad or whatever. But I sort of wrote out what my prayer was. And then I wrote out this, this number of the thing I told you about, he lives in wisdom and sees himself. We take 30 minutes in my morning. And I would do that. And then I would watch this crazy video about basically success. Yeah, it really made a profound change in my life.
Pete Turner 30:59
As we regressed to middle age, our system requires more news for you are not middle aged.
Unknown Speaker 31:05
Well, okay, how many people live to be 110?
Unknown Speaker 31:09
You and I are not middle aged.
Unknown Speaker 31:12
Okay, you know what, though? You can still you can't but what I'm saying better now than I was. And I'm okay with that. Right. Yeah,
Pete Turner 31:18
finding that. But what I'm saying is that we have to care for our system more, right? Like, my question is, is as you try to care for your spirit, your mental well, being your physical well being like you do, it's easy to not realize that, like, I've not actually done any maintenance on all these parts of my person, thank you know, my Sean needs a lot more spirituality, whether it's from God or something
Unknown Speaker 31:40
happened a sort of, you know, I've always been a kind of a physical guy. And I just sort of was like, wow, I put fucking 40 pounds on. And I still, I'm one of those guys. Like, I still look like, I still look pretty good. But I was like, I didn't look like I see pictures. One of the things that really sucks about being an actor, yeah, is the editor net, keeps a chronology of what you look like. And I was like, I don't look like that anymore. And I go, my wife is loving and doesn't really say anything, but I go, that's what she signed up for that. And I was like, you know, and I and I tried and tried and tried all these ways to kind of lose the weight and everything. And then I just kind of figured it out. And I was like, the book was the impetus for me to make a profound change. And it worked. It really worked. And, and also just, it made me want to be better than what I was. I was like, I'm writing a book about success. How dare you? How dare you not be successful? You're a phony then right? You know, you're a frickin phony. And I was like, I'm not going to be that guy. So character showing, right?
Pete Turner 32:48
Where does Sean the most of his work? Like when you look at you as a person?
Unknown Speaker 32:53
That's easy. All right. I need to be named my wife to shut up. No, no, all my gosh, she's I'm just WB she's the single. She's the single, greatest, best, most amazing thing that's ever happened in my life. She changed my life. Yeah, I was a guy that was definitely headed for not some great stuff. And you know, you know, my first marriage was a horrible marriage was a bad marriage. And I thought maybe that's the guy I am. Maybe I'm not a great guy. Maybe that's who I am. And when I married Michelle, I decided that my marriage was really important to me now. And that being a good committed, loving partner, was really important to me. And I was like, holy shit, I go, maybe I'm not that guy. Maybe I'm this guy. And you already mean and as you get older, our age, you learn this not middle age. But you learn this, you'll learn that you're 22 you're going to be like, Oh, well, maybe this is just how I am. This is true. I am. And I was like, maybe this is how I am. And when you start making changes at it at a later point your life. It's startling, because you're like, I didn't think I could make a change. When you're a 4050 year old guy. You go fuck it. That's how that's why I'm sorry. I don't mean to spark. You go. That's that's who I am. And when you learn, that's not who you are. You go when it's really cool. I'm not that guy. I was just falling into some bad habits. Yeah, in many ways, this book kind of really helped me. I have a bad temper. Okay. I am quick to become emotional and reactive, which I'm trying not to be. I'm trying to be less reactive. about it though. I've made a lot of progress in my life. It's not like I have a bad temper. Like I'm a tough guy. It's not that it's I have a reactive personality sometimes, which comes from defensiveness, which when I was a kid, I was a fat kid. I was a fat kid. And I really wish I had my phone to show you because I carry this picture around of me when I was back in Yeah. And instead of hating this little kid, which I used, I used to hate them. Because it represented all the weakness that I had me. I love them now. I love this kid. I love this little fat kid. And it's a lot of that doesn't mean we all have lot of that, you
Pete Turner 35:18
know, we all hate the fat kid or we hate the qubit classes. Or
Unknown Speaker 35:22
I had a bully haircut. I had glasses, and I was fat. And I have a very specific picture of me. It's not like, Oh, I was this fat kid. No, I have a absolute picture of me of when I was that kid in a for so long. I hated. I hated him. And now I don't I don't I recognize him is this scared little kid.
Pete Turner 35:45
I was thinking about a movie idea that I had, you know, and I'm not trying to write it. So I'm just fun to talk about it. But my girlfriend is someone who I've known. A lot of my early life we went to high school together grew up to but we were never like an item at all. We beat same party, but never the same social circles. And then also Suddenly, I organized our reunion 30 years, and we connected and something happened and now we're in love and it's something happening to us. Yes. You're talking about. Yeah. Well, the magic happened, right? The magic and a lot of ways she saved me. You know, like, I was on a path of destruction, you know, PTSD and everything. Oh, right.
Unknown Speaker 36:15
Yeah, shoot. I mean, I mean, I can't relate to what you must have gone through it. But I was. I was on a path. Yeah, I was on the path destruction. But not to make it back about me. But yeah, I was it is about you know, but I'm one of those guys who like even when I give 10% I'm still doing pretty well. Yeah.
Pete Turner 36:33
You already mean I can totally identify with that. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 36:36
You don't mean it? And then that creates an arrogance. And you're like, you know, I know.
Pete Turner 36:41
Yeah, I'm always trying to be one notch below arrogance. And one notch below aloof.
Unknown Speaker 36:46
I get it, I get it.
Pete Turner 36:48
I have to realize that that's where I'm at. And then I have to be mindful of where the not to hit that revenue limiter on that and back it down. You know, and I've worked hard at that. That's where I work. Right, right. And then my fat kid. You know,
Unknown Speaker 37:02
that's a whole weird thing. Yeah. It's like if you don't understand that, right. And then I went, when I was 13. I went from getting being fat kid to get in contact lenses. Suddenly, girls were very interested in me because like, literally, my looks changed dramatically. But I was told the fact that it's a psychic shift in the sense that in my head, I look like this fat kid. And now suddenly, all these beautiful girls that would never give me the time of day wanted to live with me. Yeah, but I was still the fact I couldn't kind of Baba I like to think I'm a good guy. And I think one of the reasons I think I'm a good guy is because I knew what it was like to be the fat kid. And one thing I hate maybes while you're a soldier. I hate cruelty. I hate bullies. Yeah, I don't like when somebody picked on Yeah, because I was picked on.
Pete Turner 37:52
So before we started recording you talked about and this is a common thing so you shouldn't feel like in any way that it's weird at all but you wish you would have served you have you give a whole day right all my heart to our cheese's I can I go to basic training, just show you guys that I could do it like Tito. It's
Unknown Speaker 38:07
that's that's but that's part of it. Yeah, I want to know, could I've done it? Yeah, I don't know. I think every man wants to believe he could do it.
Pete Turner 38:14
Talk about the last moment where it's possible for you to have join, like some
Unknown Speaker 38:18
years. It was never, ever, ever something that was a possibility for me in the sense that I think a lot of guys that are military guys come from a military family. My grandfather, who was part of the greatest generation was in World War Two. Yeah, but my dad, God love them was I think a deferred God. Like, you know, it wasn't it wasn't something that like I ever considered. Yeah.
Pete Turner 38:47
I'm the same way.
Unknown Speaker 38:48
I did it. And now that I'm older, now, I just I just wish I would have. So when you say to me, when was the last time I could have it? There was never a cutoff date. Because was never a viable option. It was never viable. I mean, of course, it was people, people who listen to this go. Well, of course it was asked all Do you remember the wasn't the draft, but it was the Selective Service? Yeah. And I remember my dad taking me down to the post office. Yeah. And I was proud, which is a weird place to go. Yes. My dad took me to the post office. Yeah. And I signed up for the Selective Service. And I remember at that moment, I was proud. I was proud to do it. Right. That was a kid. Yeah, I was a kid. No, I also remember I did the last Perry Mason movie ever with Raymond Burke, really. And I did it with a guy named Michael Nadir. Okay. And he was dex Dexter on dynasty. Okay. And he told me, he goes, he goes, I remember when they wanted me for Vietnam, because I pretended I was gay, Jeff. And it was a legitimate fear, I guess is the right word. Yeah. When I was doing the Perry Mason movie with this guy that it was a it was a rack one. And I was like, they may call me up. Yeah. That's how that's how the conversation started. Sure, sure. And I was like, and I always I always wanted you ever seen a movie called tribes? No. I'm going to hip you to something nice. You're going to watch it and this is why we became friends. Right? So it serves Jan Michael Vincent. Oh, not. In Jan. Michael Vincent plays a hippie and he gets inducted in the Marines. And what was the guy who was remembered the Night Stalker cool shot the Night Stalker. Darren McGavin. Okay, he plays his Gunny. Yeah. And he can't break this kid. And the kid teaches like he goes in the military. He teaches like, they have to hold the buckets up. Yeah. But he's like fantasizing about his beautiful girlfriend on the beach. And slowly but surely, this Gunny, they see this kid, this hippie is rebellious. But he starts to love them. Yeah. And it's crazy fucking thinking. He's like, Don't you understand? You can't You can't be this guy in the Marines. He goes, you have to be this guy. It isn't why man, why did why do? It's the most beautiful movie for tribes. Okay, and and he needs the best morning. Yeah, he's when they put him with the woody called visual effects. He just sticks out kills everybody. Yeah. But he's like, not a fighter. He's just like, he's just like this. And and there's, there's a another drill sergeant? Who is like, you got to get this lady under control. Yeah. And he's like, but what if I don't? What if he's right? It's this whole crisis. tribes, please watch this in text me. Okay. It's a beautiful, crazy movie. Yeah, going back to what I was saying was always wondered, would I be the guy with the mega horn on the Mall in Washington, fighting against the Vietnam War? Would I have been the soldier? And I think if I had to say it, I've been a soldier. I would have done my duty when we look back.
Pete Turner 41:55
Yet all of the questionable choices, policy wise and otherwise, the lies the all these things? Has it changed how we look at those guys who fought it? and turned out to be in a lot of way, right? Because it's hard, right? It's easy to go you're cowards, but in reality, they fought their own version of the war. So yeah, I completely agree. This whole thing about fighting is hard. You
Unknown Speaker 42:18
know, here's the thing, and I don't completely understand this. And some of what I'm about to say is from the movie with Nicolas Cage, what was it? Three hours worth of black ops back? Oh, yeah. Get some rigging tape on it. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, we weren't. We were in Iraq. We were in Cambodia. Fucking shit up in China, where we really weren't supposed to. And it's like,
Pete Turner 42:49
and yet still not right. not committing to the win. Right. Right.
Unknown Speaker 42:52
So so I know where we wrong. I those guys,
Pete Turner 42:56
there's a guy. And he's fantastic. You would love to meet him. Name's john mccain. And he was a young guy. And he's like, kind of a Forrest Gump guy in that he was in all of these things that happened. They were crazy. And he said, as a young officer, I was able to go to Vietnam and kind of observe and I recognize them that it was we were not doing the things it was going to take to win. But I still went. So that means the mirror image of him is the guy that said, I recognize we weren't gonna win. And I said no.
Unknown Speaker 43:24
Right. I have to say this. I did not want to talk about politics during this. But I feel whatever you feel about Trump. Yeah. And there's certainly lots of things to feel about Trump. Yeah. They feel that him taking the constraints of the rules of engagement. I think that is one of the most amazing, brilliant things that this President has done. Because you're taking our guys that are heroes that are there the best warriors on the planet and saying, You can't fight to win.
Pete Turner 43:56
You have a lot of that Secretary matters, too. So I want to know your I want
Unknown Speaker 43:59
to know your your thoughts, because I'm getting the sense that like, because the younger generation, you guys are like millennials, I think, on a lot of levels. You guys resent us because you think our generation is out of touch, or whatever. And we see your generation and when I say we actually him saying my generation sees you guys, as you know, you had the luxury of being a hippy dippy. It's not that but it's like you have the luxury of being. I mean, for sure. The greatest generation was the greatest generation. I'm sorry. I mean, they beat the Nazis. Thank you.
Pete Turner 44:39
They beat the Nazis and the depression.
Unknown Speaker 44:41
And the end, they came back. And there's a reason why guys came back from they came back and became titans of business you're doing I mean, there just was something special about them. And I get every generation looks at the previous generation. As like, with disdain. It's just a fact. It's like, you know, I mean, I mean, what do you think? I mean, do you think like, we're not Trump, Ian, whatever. But it's like, Look, we look at it like you didn't have to serve in the military. Right. Now, as a guy that hasn't served in the military. I need to shut my mouth. But you can't not respect what your father's done. Sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because you know, what, if not him Who? All right, and go.
Unknown Speaker 45:30
I don't think it's necessarily I think, mostly was the younger generations. It's more
Unknown Speaker 45:37
it's more just got the microphone, though. So he's good.
Unknown Speaker 45:39
It's more maybe resentment towards like, the boomers, since that's who's my dad's generation. Yeah. resemble Why? More just like, I guess it's more just that battle between like, the millennials and the boomers like boomers think that millennials have easy.
Unknown Speaker 45:55
Okay, this is a crazy question. Do you think some of it is like, I remember what it was like not to have a cell phone. Try not to have an ATM? Sure. We didn't have tech. Like you guys. So on some level, I think you guys think maybe rightfully so. We're like, the caveman. My point is, like, you guys understand technology. I mean, and we're sort of like the dinosaurs. Is that create a little bit of, you know, a little bit of a resentment, but like, you guys are morons.
Unknown Speaker 46:27
I think yeah, there's just two different worlds. We haven't like found a way to kind of understand how one side has had a hard but another side has had a hard because of just these I even like Gen X is like, fault either. Just whatever happened before that she's trying to
Unknown Speaker 46:42
get what I'm saying. It's like, we can look at you and go, Okay, you guys haven't like, You're entitled your title. You had to look at us like we're Yeah, I mean, there is a there's definitely
Pete Turner 46:52
a generational gap.
Unknown Speaker 46:55
That's the word. That's what he's looking at.
Pete Turner 46:56
Because we've known parents, we ourselves were poor, you know, relatively speaking. I mean, they're super poor. But then, now it's like, everybody has a cell phone. They're the first the millennials and Brenda is jet Gen Z, right? Whatever, they're going to be called Gen Z, right? And either in somewhere in the middle of Gen Z and the millennials, they're really our first Cyborg generation, you have this robot with you at a time. Right? Right. You don't have to remember phone numbers, you don't have to remember a bank account number from us it remember that,
Unknown Speaker 47:25
you know, it's different now saying, so what you're saying is, they have it easy, because they don't have to remember it like we do. And we're like, we're like, it allows us to accomplish so much more that we don't even have to think about that stupid shit. And both are valid. Yeah. Not arguments, but both are valid, you know, arguments
Pete Turner 47:46
now. So let me we're getting close to an hour now. So first off, is it's been great. I love it. I love it that you're comfortable and free enough to have a conversation. And and get into these topics, because we've been talking about the Italian dance show that you're on, you know, talk about whatever you want to be through it. Yeah. Well, no, but it's the so as you're looking ahead, right? You've been in Oh, by the way, if everybody knows, not just an author, you're also an actor. You've been in a ton of movies. And one of the things I love is to not like characterize you as the guy who was incredible, because that was decades ago. Right? So we're talking about where you're at now and you've written this book. Is there another one coming? What else is out? Because you're, you're learning languages? We gotta you
Unknown Speaker 48:26
gotta sit Stiller. You're a doer. No, I mean, I'm not a sister. No, we have a another project, which is going to be called success factor. Why? Hmm? And why is your younger self? What letter would you write to your younger self to give yourself advice? Yeah, so we're already working on that. Nice. I just signed on to do another film. I'm doing it. I've never done a sci fi film. And I always wanted to do a sci fi film. So I'm, I'm doing this, and I'm playing an ex military guy. Know. So I'm going to be shooting that starting August 31. In Joshua Tree, post a picture elliptic or it's not really post apocalyptic. It's about a Martian colonies or okay. I'm always trying to do other things that push me. Yeah, yes, I've got the book thing. I've got another film that I'm doing. We're launching a podcast, nice to do a success factor x podcast. I'm real involved with being a father to my daughter, who's going to be 18 next month. No,
Pete Turner 49:24
sorry about that. Because one of the things that I've had to learn right, Brenda is how to be still a dad, still a father, but I can't be too much of those things. I'm more of a guide now. Right? Except when we drive in LA. Yeah, yeah, I gotta yell.
Unknown Speaker 49:34
I know. But it's like, you don't need to be like, I'm dad. It's like, Look, you know it 22. But here's the thing. It's like, it's not that you need a friend, because there is still that thing where you're the father. So my wife has four kids. And I have one. And I always go, my job is not to be your friend. Doesn't mean that I can't be your friend. But my job is not to be your friend. My job is to be your parent. And you know, it's interesting. We've listened to your dad, you said like, it's a struggle. It's like, it's like, Am I am I am I the friend? And my job is not to make you like me. I don't care if you like me as your father. Yeah. You know what you may not like me, sometimes, I don't like me sometimes. But my job is to be the guy when you walk down a dark alley, I'm going to be there for you and take care of business and protect you and love you. And sometimes, sometimes, because you're at 22, you don't have the 30,000 foot view that we have, because we're old men. You need to shut up and understand that what we're saying is only an always in your best interest. But also, we're confused and trying to figure it out, too. And what we're trying to learn.
Pete Turner 50:56
Yes, but Brenda, if you get into a physical confrontation, and you want it to end, what are you You do? What's your first thing? What have I taught you? This right, jam your thumb to the back of their eye socket? No one likes that. Nobody?
Unknown Speaker 51:07
That's right. Nobody likes that. Yeah. If you're on a beach with a margarita, there's that and then getting an eye socket. Yeah, yeah. Nobody likes that.
Pete Turner 51:20
Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 51:21
we gotta do more of these things. This is the last thing I'm going to please.
Unknown Speaker 51:24
Let's do it. Like my last thing.
Unknown Speaker 51:26
So the other day, about two days ago, I come out here outside. And there's a guy with a GoPro and he's screaming and yelling. And he's like, obviously, like a mentally he's got problems. Yeah. And so of course I look at you'll have to engage and I look at him and he's okay, I've got Asperger's. And he's like, if you mess with me that it. This is not the funny part of the story that run this Red Cross. A guy dressed as old school, Adam West, Batman comes out all right. And I'm like, he tries to like raise this guy. I'm like, Are you kidding me? I'm just a guy dressed like Batman, who comes out and talks to this guy. Yeah. The Street, in your restaurant. Where happened?
Hey, this is john Leon Guerrero. I'm sitting outside Pete's house in beautiful Tustin, California. It is early in the morning The sun is just coming up and the birds are chirping. So if you hear that in the background, just know that they're helping me hang up the sun this morning. Our guest today is Sean Kanan. He's the author of the new book success factor x, inspiration, wisdom and advice from 50 of America's best. It's an exploration of what it takes to succeed from some of the most successful people in the world, including Tony Robbins, Mark Cuban, Ken Shamrock, Don King, Jason Alexander and Sara Blakely. Sean has himself succeeded as an actor, a producer and a writer. His previous book was called the modern gentleman cooking and entertaining with Sean Kanan, where he shared his approach and his tips to creating meaningful connections through providing an experience that nourishes the body, the spirit and the curiosity of your guests. And he does with a style and an execution that has landed him key roles in daytime dramas and feature films alike. You probably know him from his longtime starring roles on General Hospital, the Bold and the Beautiful, and the young and the restless, as well as breakout role as Mike Barnes, the bad boy of karate in The Karate Kid three. And he continues to create in a variety of media every day. Speaking of which, we continue to create every day to just for you. And if you're into these topics, and we're helping you to be more informed about them, do us a big favor and support the break it down show with a five star rating on iTunes or Stitcher I Heart Radio or whatever platform you use to listen to us. And if you're listening on YouTube, please subscribe and hit that notification bill. So you're always abreast of our new episodes. You don't have to write them in Italian, French, Russian, Mandarin or Japanese all things Sean can do. But a couple of thoughts about the show in whatever language best suits you would be great. We'd appreciate it. And we think you're really going to appreciate our guest today whose books you can buy in physical form, or for your Kindle on Amazon. Here's Sean Kanan millions rock productions
Unknown Speaker 2:15
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Unknown Speaker 2:19
Navy Sebastian youngsters, Rick Marotta, Stewart Copeland.
Unknown Speaker 2:23
Scott Baxter, Gabby Reese, Rob Bell, this is Johnny on gray.
Pete Turner 2:26
And this is Pete a Turner.
Sean Kanan 2:31
Hey, this is Sean Kanan, and you are listening to the break it down show and I'm here to gratuitously plug my new book success factor x.
Niko Leon Guerrero 2:42
And now the break it down show with john Leon Guerrero and Pete a Turner.
Pete Turner 2:48
Yes, Success Factor X I read it. And it's fantastic. You guys got a bunch of insight from people like Tony Robbins just to keep the list short, but the list is incredible. It is on success. And like their advice. Typically, it's sometimes it's 10 words. Sometimes it's a paragraph, but it's just dense with quality stuff. And I love it. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 3:07
Yeah. You know, it's it's interesting that you say that, because when we were compiling the book, some people's submissions were very long. Yeah. And some peoples were very short. Yeah. And we were a little concerned. I was like, Oh, my God, okay, this guy that's he's a big name is giving us a very short submission. But the thing is, it's like everybody has an internal barometer about what success means to them. And if you can convey that in a few sentences, yeah, that's, that's amazing. And, you know, and we were, we were constantly surprised with the people that we got to participate in the book. Incredible. You know, we really were amazed. I mean, the quality of it, you know, a mark qubit Sara Blakely, the first female billionaire. Yeah. I mean, we got some really amazing people. And then some of the people are not household names. And I thought that was really interesting, too. Because I didn't want everybody to be a household name. I wanted some people, your daughters looking at a watch, by the way. And nobody was it was really it was really cool that like some of the people maybe we're introducing to the readers the book for the first time. Look, one guy that is is somebody that is a personal friend of mine, and he's an amazing individual is Jay Dobbins. Jay Dobbins, looks like a hells Angel. scary looking dude, right? And Jay is an ex ATF agent, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent who infiltrated the Hells Angels, and brought down a chapter the Hells Angels. And he is a legitimate American hero. Yeah, this guy. And Jay. It's so interesting how I met him. I, I was watching a TV show. And I saw Jay. And I was like, I want this guy from my book. And I go, I'm I'm gonna try and find him. And I don't know how I did it. I found him. And I contacted him and said, Hey, my name is Sean Kanan. I'm doing this book. He goes, can you be in? Tucson, Arizona tomorrow? And I was like,
Unknown Speaker 5:14
Yeah, yes. So I called my wife and I'm like, babe, we're flying to Tucson, we're going to go hang out with Jay Dobbins this guy I just met. And he's like, if you can be there, I'm going to take you on a bust. And so basically, it was a multi task force bust. He picks me up at my hotel at like, four in the morning. And he's like, we're gonna let you watch what it's like to bust all these bad guys. And it was the most amazing, weird, bizarre, cool thing I've ever done. Yeah. And so we became friends. And I was in Tucson with Michelle, my wife two months ago. And Jay is speaking of the University of Arizona, and it's him and another guy who's like, Officer, and he's there addressing all these young kids that want to be police officers. Forgive the women to say this, okay. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but he's like, he's like, you look at me. And he said, Who the fuck is going to take on the bad guys? He goes, he goes some guy that looks like you know, this guy with a pencil in his pocket. He goes, you need a bad guy like me to be the guy that takes on the bad guys. And Jay looks like if you google him right now his name's. It's worth doing. Yeah, it's Jay Dobbins. He looks he's got like a weird twisty beard and tattoos. He had to figure out a way to look like he had killed some people without obviously killing some people. So they took like, I don't know, it was like turkey sausage. They had his it's called a cut, you know, a nut land, they put searches or whatever they made it look like they killed this guy. And he's just one of the most fascinating human beings I've ever met. And he's worked the coolest, most funny human beings. Because you would think like a guy from the ATF is like a stiff Yeah, and Jays real fun to go out with. So my point is circumventing back to what I was saying was, some of the people in the book are not household names. They're not like the Tony Robbins, the mark Cuban's of the world, and you learn about them, and you're like, wow, these guys are really fascinating.
Pete Turner 7:25
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Unknown Speaker 7:54
So my point is circumventing back to what I was saying was some of the people in the book or not household names. They're not like the Tony Robbins, the mark Cuban's of the world, and you learn about them. And you're like, wow, these guys are really fascinating.
Pete Turner 8:09
Yeah, there is a thing I believe in from my time doing similar work. And I might do a JD, but you know, very dangerous work. Right? Get a clarity what I call the ground truth. So up at FBI headquarters or ATF headquarters, that that reality is complete. If you're in a spaceship, writing down on a continent, you can't even 30,000 square miles in you. Yeah, yeah. We're Jay is that and understand what he has to understand. And when those things don't intersect ever, it's hard for the organization to get what it wants, because you can't learn the tactical and the sub tactical, right? The grit, with the organizational strategic goal. They're just not aligned. Well,
Unknown Speaker 8:49
you know, I hope at some point, that our friendship grows. And I hope that I'm able to introduce you to this guy, because I think you would really dig him. So he wrote a best selling book called No, no angel, when he took down the Hells Angels. And now they're making a movie of his life. And you know, the whole thing is like, he's balancing. He's got this nice, beautiful wife. He's got this kid. He's like a little league coach. And on the weekends, he's leaving. And he's going and they can't do drugs, right, an ATF agent. So he's pounding like herbal stimulants, so he can compete with these guys that are doing crystal meth. And like, like, one time they were going to kill a guy. And the guy was a informer. And so Jay had to beat the shit out of this guy. Because that was the lesser evil of letting this guy get killed. Yeah, so he basically grabbed this guy's punch in and punch him. But he's throwing him out of the bar. Like, you know what I mean? Like he's doing it to get him out of this situation. Right, right. And you're just like, all right, it's crazy.
Pete Turner 9:57
And when you have to win four levels above you there briefing that JD?
Unknown Speaker 10:01
Yeah, yes.
Pete Turner 10:03
Someone's got to be there to be like, I'm positive. Jay made the right decision. You know, he said,
Unknown Speaker 10:07
this guy's light, right? He bought the crap out of them and murder them. Right. But he saved his life. Right.
Pete Turner 10:12
But that is what's great about the book is that you guys do cover that full spectrum. So remember, the the J segment was great. And I resonated with it. Because again, we don't do the same thing. But I've got to go make friends with the worst people on the earth. Right? Fine, right? Because the people that have the dangerous information or the dangerous Wait, you know, I have to build trust with the Taleban genuine
Unknown Speaker 10:33
question. I don't know it's starting, like I'm interviewing your Dell, it's a conversation. Do you ever find yourself like on a weird level here? These guys are the enemy. But you can't help but having some kind of almost a weird respect for them. And then you feel guilty for that because they're the enemy. But even though you diametrically opposed to what they believe their level of commitment on some level.
Pete Turner 10:56
Yeah, I mean, there's there's like, I mean, you have to respect them on some level to have so Is that weird? Yeah. No, not at all. I cross cultural you have to you have to accept what they do. But you have to understand it. Like their situation their uncle's if you will put yourself in
Unknown Speaker 11:10
there. How would you be different? How would you be different if your wife is getting bombed? I mean, I mean, maybe maybe,
Pete Turner 11:15
how you make money, and it's the only way you have to make money is today, you know, endeavor and things that are legal or illegal? Yep. So I for sure, you know, there has to be an exchange of respect to get to trust.
You has to Yeah, and if I don't have a trust, so I work on like, what do they need help with right now? Immediately, right. I do for you, too. Yeah, it's not. It's not like build a 10 story, training academy. You know, it's really simple stuff. Like,
Unknown Speaker 11:44
can I really loved you? Can I feed you? Yeah, I help you.
Pete Turner 11:47
Yeah. I mean, like, we have homeless people, two blocks from here, right? If you went over there and said, How can I help you right now, today, make your life 5% better. It's funny, you brought that up.
Unknown Speaker 11:56
I just finished a movie with Steven Seagal. And DMX. We shot the movie, that 6666 Street is directly across from Skid Row. And so the facility we were in, it has fencing, and it's protected. But there's a guy that's the caretaker of this building, right? And he says, Listen, he goes, he says, You know, I know. You're looking at these people and and you, you, you, you want to be empathetic. And of course you do, of course you want to be empathetic. But he's like, there's a flip side of that reality, which is, so many people come down, they bring them sandwiches, they bring them clothes, they bring in this net, and these guys have gotten really good at gaming the system. And they go imagine you own a business. And now because you're in a city, that's a sanctuary city city, that it is inappropriate to be angry at about that. And now you built this business that protects your family that feeds your family. And these guys are here parked in front of your, you know, your front lawn. And there's two sides to it. Anyway, the reason I brought it up was because I did this movie and our call times were it for the morning. So like I'm arriving at four in the morning on Skid Row. And I mean, it was like nothing to see people smoking crack. Yeah, having sex rats. I mean, it was like, you see the worst of the worst of the worst of, of humanity, nothing. They're the worst of humanity, just where things can go when they're horribly wrong. And then when you do a movie, you have to eat your food. It's it's every six hours is when so imagine we get there four in the morning, lunches at 10 in the morning, and you're eating this exorbitant wonderful meal. And these homeless people are walking by and you feel really yeah, like a bad human being that you're in you literally cannot give them food because it's old. Yeah. Anyway, it was weird. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah.
Pete Turner 14:11
Well, that, like you think about the homeless folks are out there doing that with rats and crack and sex. You know, they're doing what we all do, right? They don't have any walls. You know, so it's just me,
Unknown Speaker 14:21
you know, I'm not smoking crack, though. No, but that that
Pete Turner 14:25
drink too much, or they smoke too much, or they pill too much, or whatever, you know. And it's still commentary with but it's things, it's their life is in the open. My point is not to assign blame to anybody or put anything on anybody. But when you go into that environment, as me right, I've now got to understand what it's like to be there to walk under show, right walk in their shoes. Yeah. And so if I can get to our side and say, here's the reality, here's where they need help. So
Unknown Speaker 14:53
I got this piece from the Bhagavad Gita, that's my my meditative piece. And I'm not gonna bore you with it. But the essence of it is it says, He lives in wisdom, who sees himself and all know it all and himself. And it's like, you know, I may not agree with it. And I may think you're acting like an asshole, but I'm going to look at you and go, what if that was me, you know, try and get a different level of understanding.
Pete Turner 15:17
And the ethics in these situations are different. Jay had a different ethical reality, where he's picking something that everybody else would say is unethical. So listen, what happened to Jay?
Unknown Speaker 15:27
Yeah, Jay was a brilliant football player. And he went to the combine. The combine is the combine is where they take all prospects, the hot prospects, and all the owners of the teams have scouts, and they decide whether they want to make them an offer to so Jay was like a big time football player for University of Arizona. He says, within 10 minutes, I knew I wasn't gonna make it to the pros. But he says that the two guys that were competing against him at the combine were Jerry Rice. It looks like these are Hall of Fame football players. So he's like, I knew I was going to do this. So Jay, joins the ATF. Okay. Within three days of being in the ATF for some for Cocteau, reason, he gets put in an undercover situation. He had no business being and he gets shot. Well left four dead. Three days after he gets out of the Academy. For some reason. He's in the frickin and a lawyer calls him up and he's like, dude, you can write your own ticket. You can get millions. He goes, I don't want millions. He goes, I came here to serve my country. Wow. He goes, I just want to so that's the guy. I mean, he's a he's an American hero. Yeah, this guy.
Pete Turner 16:44
Yeah, I mean, the guys that are in that kind of work. You know, it's different that he almost died. I mean, sure. Just that once. No, come on. It's a lot of danger. What do you look them up? You see, it looks like
Unknown Speaker 16:55
he looks like a badass, right? You want no part of j? Right? Absolutely. Marshall all my life. I'm not a pussy. But Jay, you know, part of Jay Dobbins angry with you.
Pete Turner 17:07
Point like, you probably have this there comes a point where it's like, oh, there's gonna be a fight.
Unknown Speaker 17:11
I'm not worried about winning. I'm worried about not getting, like, well, but even
Pete Turner 17:15
if you can punch me in the face all you want, right? Ain't gonna be enough. Right? So right. You may beat me. But guess what? There's gonna come a weapon with it. You know? I'm the guy who doesn't care if he wins or loses just that's the guy. Yes. Yes, exactly. I got imagine Jays that guy's like, Yeah, whatever. You know who you saw.
Unknown Speaker 17:32
Plus, I mean, you can ride a bike. I mean, he's an interesting cat, man. And he's the thing it's interesting is he looks like a a dangerous hells Angel guy. Yeah. He's really erudite. I mean, he's very, very smart and educated. I mean, he teaches classes on the college level, right? You know, I mean, it's almost like he's created this persona. Because he he has to look this way to do what he like what you talked about with you. Yeah. But like, it's it's a parties playing? Uh huh. You know, yeah.
Pete Turner 18:03
So you think about this, like when I do my job with salmon, Bosnia, right. We talked about that earlier. When a farmer offers me some of his homemade brandish leave events, right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You say yes. And when he brings you medium rare pork that he killed from his big frickin Knossos? Yeah. You say yes, to trigger gnosis because you've got a bigger mission, a bigger purpose.
Unknown Speaker 18:26
Right.
Pete Turner 18:27
So it seems sexy, but when I got dysentery, right,
Unknown Speaker 18:32
you gotta do we got to do but you have to do it.
Pete Turner 18:34
I mean, certain people say they won't, but they shouldn't be in the field, but you're insulting them. Right? And you and it's okay to like have a barrier and maybe it's you won't eat the food, but you have to know how to get around. Right right. And just saying because usually everybody who I talked to were not really I don't want to be disrespectful and they don't have a level of pro capacity that I have right here whether I'm eating the food or not they're not prepared to get around that situation like they're just not that's a hard wall for them so they really should be analysts or planners or something.
Unknown Speaker 19:03
Yes, not field guys.
Pete Turner 19:05
Right? And so a guy like that may have a win here and there but got like Jay is gonna win all the time because he gets around that.
Unknown Speaker 19:11
But do you mind if I ask what what was your was your rank? I was an f5. I was a sergeant
Pete Turner 19:15
started so fairly low ranking, but I was worked well above
Unknown Speaker 19:18
it was a buddy of mine. You know, Terry Shepherd is Yeah, I actually got his terrorist terrorism the book. Yeah. The book Terry's like, my, my guy. I love Terry.
Pete Turner 19:28
Yeah, terrorists was to come on the show. We just never hooked up and do Oh, you got to get to.
Unknown Speaker 19:33
Have you ever seen Dude, you're screwed.
Pete Turner 19:35
Yeah, yeah. That's grace. She's a maniac. Yeah, it's a bunch of operators and they kidnap each other and put them in possible situations like see a dude and then it's sort of like Naked and Afraid. But with operators and, and so they're like, you get a stick you get this goat you got to bring back with you. And you know, this whole situation, and then they and they,
Unknown Speaker 19:55
it's cool. Because they get they give you like several items now. And you think okay, thank you lipstick and say a clown mask. Yeah. And what these guys are going to do, is we're going to kidnap you, and drop you off in the worst, most inhospitable place. But then you start thinking, lipstick as a Malian city Alliance make really good. What do you call it? incendiary? Yeah, you know, it's a great way to light a fire. And so that the mask is a great way to scoop water. It means like all these stupid things have great ability.
Pete Turner 20:24
Yeah. Then they run them into like a, an abandoned old Sherry's
Unknown Speaker 20:27
and all that is just one of the funniest, smartest, toughest, weird, weird Oh, yeah, so weird. Now, I love Terry. But he's a weirdo.
Pete Turner 20:38
And all those guys are alpha alpha. So
Unknown Speaker 20:40
yeah, I mean, you and I are kind of alphas. Yeah. This guy's an alpha. Right.
Pete Turner 20:45
Yeah. So when you're in that world, and you're trying to operate with those guys are going out for the right, right? Yeah. So I don't ever choose to. I just go do my stuff, and then want to open my mouth. And I say what I've got to say, I'm ahead of them in my field. Right. So I don't have to out alpha them. They already know that in terms of collecting. I met Mr. Bear, but you know, if run right there teacher, but that requires a surrendering of ego like Yeah, go ahead, go. Everybody wants to out, shoot the weapons expert on a soft team. And then that grit, that ruggedness, that alpha alpha connection means that they have this reality, this wisdom,
Unknown Speaker 21:23
and it's super play. You know, I think I think if you meet a guy like that, if he's a guy in generally, my experience has been that most military guys are very humble and respectful. They're not, you know, they'll kill you, but they're not dicks. Yeah. And when you meet those kind of guys, it just immediately brings a sense of Wow, I'm impressed and, and not articulating it really well. But I'm just saying, you immediately, like, that's a guy that I want to know. I want to know, I'll make sense your domain because because of what they've been through, if it's not bullshit, and obviously, you're not in trouble, whatever it says, Wow, I really want to run that's that's what men aspire to. If you want
Pete Turner 22:05
candid answers, you ask a special operator, not so much seals, but not not them. Are you bad method? coo? No, no, I'm just saying that more the Special Operations, the green bring
Unknown Speaker 22:14
about this whole court case going on.
Pete Turner 22:16
So I know a lot of these guys. Right. And I personally
Unknown Speaker 22:19
mean,
Pete Turner 22:20
yeah, for sure. So what did the guy do it? I mean, I don't I thought for me to say, but I do know this, that the ethics in combat are different than ethics here at the spouse, downtown LA.
Unknown Speaker 22:31
I get it.
Pete Turner 22:32
I get it. But also, the military court system has these a lot to be desired for being. Look, if you have the ability to put someone in jail for the rest of your life. You need to be above reproach. They aren't Yeah. Oh, that's that's really where it stops. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, the way you care for this up, we give an example. There's a case we don't got to get in the case. But bottom line is, is it's very questionable as to what happened, did he or didn't he? Right. But at one point, the military police had lost custody of the evidence for three months. That's ridiculous. Right.
Unknown Speaker 23:04
I mean, if that happened in a civil court, or in a criminal court, in the United States, right, it would be absolutely yes. It is in for this trial. Yeah. We can't do it. Right. Yeah. So he's in jail still. And so we do have these things where like Eddie Gallagher, and these other guys are, are struggling to get out. You're taking things out of context and not playing by the rules. This is my layman's opinion. And your soldiers you can tell me, but I think the thing that differentiates us from other people is it has not always function perfectly my life, of course, yeah. But pretty much our soldiers are not going to go and rape women. Yeah, they have a code of honor. No, you know, they are the American military. Yeah. And if they're not the I don't know what military but now you have a certain level of expectation that there's going to be at least within the parameters of war, which is horrible. And I can only imagine, yeah, there's going to be a level of conduct that is, right.
Pete Turner 24:04
Am I right? Or no hundred percent. And among the pure nations who go out and do things with us, we are seen as the number one like because look, it's not only the proficiency with the weapons and the character conduct.
Unknown Speaker 24:15
Yep. conduct the self development. And the thing is interest always told me this. He goes spec the difference between a spec ops and a grunt. Is it How can I think on my feet? How can I be an out of the box? Right? thinker, right? To kill the enemy? Yeah, but also when it's not necessarily kill the enemy?
Pete Turner 24:34
Yeah, right. Yeah. No, I mean, absolutely. You can give Greenberg a problem. We've got 500 pounds of solvers. You've got $50. And I want to meet you in Havana tomorrow in Arizona, or tomorrow. And then not only will they get there,
Unknown Speaker 24:48
that'd be like, that'd be doing shuttles. But they'll have a drink with a with a little umbrella audit. Right. But
Pete Turner 24:55
it's true, though. I mean, right. So let this desire to accomplish the mission. And if mission is designed, right,
Unknown Speaker 25:01
adapt, overcome, right.
Pete Turner 25:03
Yeah. And and also, just like, the Special Forces slogan is just, you know, they're trying to liberate the oppressed. What better mission than that? You know, like, that's their, that's their thing. Right? Right. So when you go through your book, and you have all these insights from guys like Terry, and JU, also, you know, Mark Cuban and all the, I mean, there's so many
Unknown Speaker 25:24
great Mark Cuban story. I know, you're gonna ask me a question, but until you really know it's a conversation with the biggest bugaboo for this whole project, is there were 48 individuals, myself and my partner being to the made 15. We had to get photos. Their submission? Yeah, we had to get a short bio. And we had to get a release. Release. Now we had Warren Buffett the book, yeah, Warren Buffett. That's, and he sent me an email, or actually think he sent it to my partner. It said, you can use me in the book book, but the publisher was like, No, you must have an actual legal release for Warren Buffett, which he wouldn't sign. And I don't blame them. Yeah. So we didn't have Cubans either. We had an email. So my partner calls cubes up. Yeah. And he's like, Mark, I need your thing. You already did. He said, A Mavs game. Yeah. He goes, Doc, you send it to me. He means Mark Cuban. Yeah, he's not sending this to all of his legal team. He goes Baba Baba. So the essence of this story is that a guy of Mark Cuban's level right? did not say, Oh, my God, you have to send this to my lawyer, my ba, ba, ba, ba, he's like, signed it done. And I think what that says about Mark Cuban, is in business, I think when you can create an expediency, and I would imagine what you do, you need to know when something needs to be done immediately. And without bullshit. Yeah. That's how you get it done. And Mark was like, Oh, I get you guys need this. You need it. Now. I'm going to do it for you. Part of what was he was kind to do it. Like he's like, I'm signing this done, because he knew if not, we weren't able to use them in the in the book. And I just think that's what makes a billionaire. That's what makes a winner. And this guy was like, Okay, I see what needs to be done to make this happen now.
Pete Turner 27:22
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Unknown Speaker 27:44
And I just think that's what makes a billionaire. That's what makes a winner. And this guy was like, Okay, I see what needs to be done to make this happen. Yeah,
Pete Turner 27:53
but this is like what commanders do, right? Like if I can provide them a tiny hurdle that they have the ability to not only get over, but smash, whatever, I can smash it, I can lift it and throw it. I can go over and do whatever, right. But if I can present it, and like it's how you present it. Yeah. And then they go, that's all we gotta do. Dun, dun dun Don't Don't tell me what to do. Just give me the obstacle. Give me the obstacle. Let me Yep,
Unknown Speaker 28:14
yeah, overcome it. I was really blown away that he did that. Because my point was circling back. God getting 48 very successful, very powerful individuals that are on often different continents to like, do what you need to get done, was really tough.
Pete Turner 28:34
So let me ask you this and a bit about that. Some of the talks, a lot of very notable people myself, the ability to communicate with Warren Buffett, for example, he may respond immediately to your message, but immediately frame is five days later. Because
Unknown Speaker 28:47
the interesting thing about Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett is like I never don't respond to somebody by the end of the day. Welcome. And that is, it's the devils in the details. If you can take something that we will a very little thing on Warren Buffett's blade, right. But if you can take the little things and make them important. You certainly can take the big things and make them important. And I mean, I was blown away that that guy responded to us.
Pete Turner 29:14
What have you changed your life since writing this book, I'm going to tell you,
Unknown Speaker 29:17
I needed something in my life. I needed something. And I said to myself, I'm writing a book about success. This is my OCD, kicking. And I have to like I said, I need to walk it like a target. And I was overweight. There were things I wasn't doing that I needed to do. Yeah. And this book was the impetus for me to address some issues I needed to address trying to lose weight for a really long time. Yeah. And I don't know how I did it, but I just was like, you know, I tried the keto. I tried it, Baba Baba. And then I finally kind of got it together. And that was part of it. I started this new thing. There's this book called The more miracle Have you heard of this? Yeah. So morning miracle, basically, is this guy named Hal Elrod that wrote this book. And he's like, you can change your life by getting up early in the morning. And I was that guy's an actor. If you don't have something to do, say, an audition, or you're filming, it's real easy to be like, I'm slipping into 11. Yeah. And I was like, that, I'm done. I go, I'm getting up at six every day nine military. Yeah. And I started getting up at six. And I wrote a mantra thing, okay. I mean, I, I've never been a real religious guy. And I started praying every morning, and I'm not this is not like about the god squad or whatever. But I sort of wrote out what my prayer was. And then I wrote out this, this number of the thing I told you about, he lives in wisdom and sees himself. We take 30 minutes in my morning. And I would do that. And then I would watch this crazy video about basically success. Yeah, it really made a profound change in my life.
Pete Turner 30:59
As we regressed to middle age, our system requires more news for you are not middle aged.
Unknown Speaker 31:05
Well, okay, how many people live to be 110?
Unknown Speaker 31:09
You and I are not middle aged.
Unknown Speaker 31:12
Okay, you know what, though? You can still you can't but what I'm saying better now than I was. And I'm okay with that. Right. Yeah,
Pete Turner 31:18
finding that. But what I'm saying is that we have to care for our system more, right? Like, my question is, is as you try to care for your spirit, your mental well, being your physical well being like you do, it's easy to not realize that, like, I've not actually done any maintenance on all these parts of my person, thank you know, my Sean needs a lot more spirituality, whether it's from God or something
Unknown Speaker 31:40
happened a sort of, you know, I've always been a kind of a physical guy. And I just sort of was like, wow, I put fucking 40 pounds on. And I still, I'm one of those guys. Like, I still look like, I still look pretty good. But I was like, I didn't look like I see pictures. One of the things that really sucks about being an actor, yeah, is the editor net, keeps a chronology of what you look like. And I was like, I don't look like that anymore. And I go, my wife is loving and doesn't really say anything, but I go, that's what she signed up for that. And I was like, you know, and I and I tried and tried and tried all these ways to kind of lose the weight and everything. And then I just kind of figured it out. And I was like, the book was the impetus for me to make a profound change. And it worked. It really worked. And, and also just, it made me want to be better than what I was. I was like, I'm writing a book about success. How dare you? How dare you not be successful? You're a phony then right? You know, you're a frickin phony. And I was like, I'm not going to be that guy. So character showing, right?
Pete Turner 32:48
Where does Sean the most of his work? Like when you look at you as a person?
Unknown Speaker 32:53
That's easy. All right. I need to be named my wife to shut up. No, no, all my gosh, she's I'm just WB she's the single. She's the single, greatest, best, most amazing thing that's ever happened in my life. She changed my life. Yeah, I was a guy that was definitely headed for not some great stuff. And you know, you know, my first marriage was a horrible marriage was a bad marriage. And I thought maybe that's the guy I am. Maybe I'm not a great guy. Maybe that's who I am. And when I married Michelle, I decided that my marriage was really important to me now. And that being a good committed, loving partner, was really important to me. And I was like, holy shit, I go, maybe I'm not that guy. Maybe I'm this guy. And you already mean and as you get older, our age, you learn this not middle age. But you learn this, you'll learn that you're 22 you're going to be like, Oh, well, maybe this is just how I am. This is true. I am. And I was like, maybe this is how I am. And when you start making changes at it at a later point your life. It's startling, because you're like, I didn't think I could make a change. When you're a 4050 year old guy. You go fuck it. That's how that's why I'm sorry. I don't mean to spark. You go. That's that's who I am. And when you learn, that's not who you are. You go when it's really cool. I'm not that guy. I was just falling into some bad habits. Yeah, in many ways, this book kind of really helped me. I have a bad temper. Okay. I am quick to become emotional and reactive, which I'm trying not to be. I'm trying to be less reactive. about it though. I've made a lot of progress in my life. It's not like I have a bad temper. Like I'm a tough guy. It's not that it's I have a reactive personality sometimes, which comes from defensiveness, which when I was a kid, I was a fat kid. I was a fat kid. And I really wish I had my phone to show you because I carry this picture around of me when I was back in Yeah. And instead of hating this little kid, which I used, I used to hate them. Because it represented all the weakness that I had me. I love them now. I love this kid. I love this little fat kid. And it's a lot of that doesn't mean we all have lot of that, you
Pete Turner 35:18
know, we all hate the fat kid or we hate the qubit classes. Or
Unknown Speaker 35:22
I had a bully haircut. I had glasses, and I was fat. And I have a very specific picture of me. It's not like, Oh, I was this fat kid. No, I have a absolute picture of me of when I was that kid in a for so long. I hated. I hated him. And now I don't I don't I recognize him is this scared little kid.
Pete Turner 35:45
I was thinking about a movie idea that I had, you know, and I'm not trying to write it. So I'm just fun to talk about it. But my girlfriend is someone who I've known. A lot of my early life we went to high school together grew up to but we were never like an item at all. We beat same party, but never the same social circles. And then also Suddenly, I organized our reunion 30 years, and we connected and something happened and now we're in love and it's something happening to us. Yes. You're talking about. Yeah. Well, the magic happened, right? The magic and a lot of ways she saved me. You know, like, I was on a path of destruction, you know, PTSD and everything. Oh, right.
Unknown Speaker 36:15
Yeah, shoot. I mean, I mean, I can't relate to what you must have gone through it. But I was. I was on a path. Yeah, I was on the path destruction. But not to make it back about me. But yeah, I was it is about you know, but I'm one of those guys who like even when I give 10% I'm still doing pretty well. Yeah.
Pete Turner 36:33
You already mean I can totally identify with that. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 36:36
You don't mean it? And then that creates an arrogance. And you're like, you know, I know.
Pete Turner 36:41
Yeah, I'm always trying to be one notch below arrogance. And one notch below aloof.
Unknown Speaker 36:46
I get it, I get it.
Pete Turner 36:48
I have to realize that that's where I'm at. And then I have to be mindful of where the not to hit that revenue limiter on that and back it down. You know, and I've worked hard at that. That's where I work. Right, right. And then my fat kid. You know,
Unknown Speaker 37:02
that's a whole weird thing. Yeah. It's like if you don't understand that, right. And then I went, when I was 13. I went from getting being fat kid to get in contact lenses. Suddenly, girls were very interested in me because like, literally, my looks changed dramatically. But I was told the fact that it's a psychic shift in the sense that in my head, I look like this fat kid. And now suddenly, all these beautiful girls that would never give me the time of day wanted to live with me. Yeah, but I was still the fact I couldn't kind of Baba I like to think I'm a good guy. And I think one of the reasons I think I'm a good guy is because I knew what it was like to be the fat kid. And one thing I hate maybes while you're a soldier. I hate cruelty. I hate bullies. Yeah, I don't like when somebody picked on Yeah, because I was picked on.
Pete Turner 37:52
So before we started recording you talked about and this is a common thing so you shouldn't feel like in any way that it's weird at all but you wish you would have served you have you give a whole day right all my heart to our cheese's I can I go to basic training, just show you guys that I could do it like Tito. It's
Unknown Speaker 38:07
that's that's but that's part of it. Yeah, I want to know, could I've done it? Yeah, I don't know. I think every man wants to believe he could do it.
Pete Turner 38:14
Talk about the last moment where it's possible for you to have join, like some
Unknown Speaker 38:18
years. It was never, ever, ever something that was a possibility for me in the sense that I think a lot of guys that are military guys come from a military family. My grandfather, who was part of the greatest generation was in World War Two. Yeah, but my dad, God love them was I think a deferred God. Like, you know, it wasn't it wasn't something that like I ever considered. Yeah.
Pete Turner 38:47
I'm the same way.
Unknown Speaker 38:48
I did it. And now that I'm older, now, I just I just wish I would have. So when you say to me, when was the last time I could have it? There was never a cutoff date. Because was never a viable option. It was never viable. I mean, of course, it was people, people who listen to this go. Well, of course it was asked all Do you remember the wasn't the draft, but it was the Selective Service? Yeah. And I remember my dad taking me down to the post office. Yeah. And I was proud, which is a weird place to go. Yes. My dad took me to the post office. Yeah. And I signed up for the Selective Service. And I remember at that moment, I was proud. I was proud to do it. Right. That was a kid. Yeah, I was a kid. No, I also remember I did the last Perry Mason movie ever with Raymond Burke, really. And I did it with a guy named Michael Nadir. Okay. And he was dex Dexter on dynasty. Okay. And he told me, he goes, he goes, I remember when they wanted me for Vietnam, because I pretended I was gay, Jeff. And it was a legitimate fear, I guess is the right word. Yeah. When I was doing the Perry Mason movie with this guy that it was a it was a rack one. And I was like, they may call me up. Yeah. That's how that's how the conversation started. Sure, sure. And I was like, and I always I always wanted you ever seen a movie called tribes? No. I'm going to hip you to something nice. You're going to watch it and this is why we became friends. Right? So it serves Jan Michael Vincent. Oh, not. In Jan. Michael Vincent plays a hippie and he gets inducted in the Marines. And what was the guy who was remembered the Night Stalker cool shot the Night Stalker. Darren McGavin. Okay, he plays his Gunny. Yeah. And he can't break this kid. And the kid teaches like he goes in the military. He teaches like, they have to hold the buckets up. Yeah. But he's like fantasizing about his beautiful girlfriend on the beach. And slowly but surely, this Gunny, they see this kid, this hippie is rebellious. But he starts to love them. Yeah. And it's crazy fucking thinking. He's like, Don't you understand? You can't You can't be this guy in the Marines. He goes, you have to be this guy. It isn't why man, why did why do? It's the most beautiful movie for tribes. Okay, and and he needs the best morning. Yeah, he's when they put him with the woody called visual effects. He just sticks out kills everybody. Yeah. But he's like, not a fighter. He's just like, he's just like this. And and there's, there's a another drill sergeant? Who is like, you got to get this lady under control. Yeah. And he's like, but what if I don't? What if he's right? It's this whole crisis. tribes, please watch this in text me. Okay. It's a beautiful, crazy movie. Yeah, going back to what I was saying was always wondered, would I be the guy with the mega horn on the Mall in Washington, fighting against the Vietnam War? Would I have been the soldier? And I think if I had to say it, I've been a soldier. I would have done my duty when we look back.
Pete Turner 41:55
Yet all of the questionable choices, policy wise and otherwise, the lies the all these things? Has it changed how we look at those guys who fought it? and turned out to be in a lot of way, right? Because it's hard, right? It's easy to go you're cowards, but in reality, they fought their own version of the war. So yeah, I completely agree. This whole thing about fighting is hard. You
Unknown Speaker 42:18
know, here's the thing, and I don't completely understand this. And some of what I'm about to say is from the movie with Nicolas Cage, what was it? Three hours worth of black ops back? Oh, yeah. Get some rigging tape on it. Yeah, but I mean, I mean, we weren't. We were in Iraq. We were in Cambodia. Fucking shit up in China, where we really weren't supposed to. And it's like,
Pete Turner 42:49
and yet still not right. not committing to the win. Right. Right.
Unknown Speaker 42:52
So so I know where we wrong. I those guys,
Pete Turner 42:56
there's a guy. And he's fantastic. You would love to meet him. Name's john mccain. And he was a young guy. And he's like, kind of a Forrest Gump guy in that he was in all of these things that happened. They were crazy. And he said, as a young officer, I was able to go to Vietnam and kind of observe and I recognize them that it was we were not doing the things it was going to take to win. But I still went. So that means the mirror image of him is the guy that said, I recognize we weren't gonna win. And I said no.
Unknown Speaker 43:24
Right. I have to say this. I did not want to talk about politics during this. But I feel whatever you feel about Trump. Yeah. And there's certainly lots of things to feel about Trump. Yeah. They feel that him taking the constraints of the rules of engagement. I think that is one of the most amazing, brilliant things that this President has done. Because you're taking our guys that are heroes that are there the best warriors on the planet and saying, You can't fight to win.
Pete Turner 43:56
You have a lot of that Secretary matters, too. So I want to know your I want
Unknown Speaker 43:59
to know your your thoughts, because I'm getting the sense that like, because the younger generation, you guys are like millennials, I think, on a lot of levels. You guys resent us because you think our generation is out of touch, or whatever. And we see your generation and when I say we actually him saying my generation sees you guys, as you know, you had the luxury of being a hippy dippy. It's not that but it's like you have the luxury of being. I mean, for sure. The greatest generation was the greatest generation. I'm sorry. I mean, they beat the Nazis. Thank you.
Pete Turner 44:39
They beat the Nazis and the depression.
Unknown Speaker 44:41
And the end, they came back. And there's a reason why guys came back from they came back and became titans of business you're doing I mean, there just was something special about them. And I get every generation looks at the previous generation. As like, with disdain. It's just a fact. It's like, you know, I mean, I mean, what do you think? I mean, do you think like, we're not Trump, Ian, whatever. But it's like, Look, we look at it like you didn't have to serve in the military. Right. Now, as a guy that hasn't served in the military. I need to shut my mouth. But you can't not respect what your father's done. Sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because you know, what, if not him Who? All right, and go.
Unknown Speaker 45:30
I don't think it's necessarily I think, mostly was the younger generations. It's more
Unknown Speaker 45:37
it's more just got the microphone, though. So he's good.
Unknown Speaker 45:39
It's more maybe resentment towards like, the boomers, since that's who's my dad's generation. Yeah. resemble Why? More just like, I guess it's more just that battle between like, the millennials and the boomers like boomers think that millennials have easy.
Unknown Speaker 45:55
Okay, this is a crazy question. Do you think some of it is like, I remember what it was like not to have a cell phone. Try not to have an ATM? Sure. We didn't have tech. Like you guys. So on some level, I think you guys think maybe rightfully so. We're like, the caveman. My point is, like, you guys understand technology. I mean, and we're sort of like the dinosaurs. Is that create a little bit of, you know, a little bit of a resentment, but like, you guys are morons.
Unknown Speaker 46:27
I think yeah, there's just two different worlds. We haven't like found a way to kind of understand how one side has had a hard but another side has had a hard because of just these I even like Gen X is like, fault either. Just whatever happened before that she's trying to
Unknown Speaker 46:42
get what I'm saying. It's like, we can look at you and go, Okay, you guys haven't like, You're entitled your title. You had to look at us like we're Yeah, I mean, there is a there's definitely
Pete Turner 46:52
a generational gap.
Unknown Speaker 46:55
That's the word. That's what he's looking at.
Pete Turner 46:56
Because we've known parents, we ourselves were poor, you know, relatively speaking. I mean, they're super poor. But then, now it's like, everybody has a cell phone. They're the first the millennials and Brenda is jet Gen Z, right? Whatever, they're going to be called Gen Z, right? And either in somewhere in the middle of Gen Z and the millennials, they're really our first Cyborg generation, you have this robot with you at a time. Right? Right. You don't have to remember phone numbers, you don't have to remember a bank account number from us it remember that,
Unknown Speaker 47:25
you know, it's different now saying, so what you're saying is, they have it easy, because they don't have to remember it like we do. And we're like, we're like, it allows us to accomplish so much more that we don't even have to think about that stupid shit. And both are valid. Yeah. Not arguments, but both are valid, you know, arguments
Pete Turner 47:46
now. So let me we're getting close to an hour now. So first off, is it's been great. I love it. I love it that you're comfortable and free enough to have a conversation. And and get into these topics, because we've been talking about the Italian dance show that you're on, you know, talk about whatever you want to be through it. Yeah. Well, no, but it's the so as you're looking ahead, right? You've been in Oh, by the way, if everybody knows, not just an author, you're also an actor. You've been in a ton of movies. And one of the things I love is to not like characterize you as the guy who was incredible, because that was decades ago. Right? So we're talking about where you're at now and you've written this book. Is there another one coming? What else is out? Because you're, you're learning languages? We gotta you
Unknown Speaker 48:26
gotta sit Stiller. You're a doer. No, I mean, I'm not a sister. No, we have a another project, which is going to be called success factor. Why? Hmm? And why is your younger self? What letter would you write to your younger self to give yourself advice? Yeah, so we're already working on that. Nice. I just signed on to do another film. I'm doing it. I've never done a sci fi film. And I always wanted to do a sci fi film. So I'm, I'm doing this, and I'm playing an ex military guy. Know. So I'm going to be shooting that starting August 31. In Joshua Tree, post a picture elliptic or it's not really post apocalyptic. It's about a Martian colonies or okay. I'm always trying to do other things that push me. Yeah, yes, I've got the book thing. I've got another film that I'm doing. We're launching a podcast, nice to do a success factor x podcast. I'm real involved with being a father to my daughter, who's going to be 18 next month. No,
Pete Turner 49:24
sorry about that. Because one of the things that I've had to learn right, Brenda is how to be still a dad, still a father, but I can't be too much of those things. I'm more of a guide now. Right? Except when we drive in LA. Yeah, yeah, I gotta yell.
Unknown Speaker 49:34
I know. But it's like, you don't need to be like, I'm dad. It's like, Look, you know it 22. But here's the thing. It's like, it's not that you need a friend, because there is still that thing where you're the father. So my wife has four kids. And I have one. And I always go, my job is not to be your friend. Doesn't mean that I can't be your friend. But my job is not to be your friend. My job is to be your parent. And you know, it's interesting. We've listened to your dad, you said like, it's a struggle. It's like, it's like, Am I am I am I the friend? And my job is not to make you like me. I don't care if you like me as your father. Yeah. You know what you may not like me, sometimes, I don't like me sometimes. But my job is to be the guy when you walk down a dark alley, I'm going to be there for you and take care of business and protect you and love you. And sometimes, sometimes, because you're at 22, you don't have the 30,000 foot view that we have, because we're old men. You need to shut up and understand that what we're saying is only an always in your best interest. But also, we're confused and trying to figure it out, too. And what we're trying to learn.
Pete Turner 50:56
Yes, but Brenda, if you get into a physical confrontation, and you want it to end, what are you You do? What's your first thing? What have I taught you? This right, jam your thumb to the back of their eye socket? No one likes that. Nobody?
Unknown Speaker 51:07
That's right. Nobody likes that. Yeah. If you're on a beach with a margarita, there's that and then getting an eye socket. Yeah, yeah. Nobody likes that.
Pete Turner 51:20
Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 51:21
we gotta do more of these things. This is the last thing I'm going to please.
Unknown Speaker 51:24
Let's do it. Like my last thing.
Unknown Speaker 51:26
So the other day, about two days ago, I come out here outside. And there's a guy with a GoPro and he's screaming and yelling. And he's like, obviously, like a mentally he's got problems. Yeah. And so of course I look at you'll have to engage and I look at him and he's okay, I've got Asperger's. And he's like, if you mess with me that it. This is not the funny part of the story that run this Red Cross. A guy dressed as old school, Adam West, Batman comes out all right. And I'm like, he tries to like raise this guy. I'm like, Are you kidding me? I'm just a guy dressed like Batman, who comes out and talks to this guy. Yeah. The Street, in your restaurant. Where happened?
